Behind 2/4 and 5/9?

I'd like an opportunity to kill more Legion, sure!

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/quote]The slaves in the camp are the camp [censored]s according to Siri. The other factions have nothing to do with the treatment of women by the legion, and [censored] women which is what the Legion do because they've taken away their right to say NO is a crime. Just because an officer who's bought "wife" is not passed around doesn't mean she's there by consent, so the same applies. To ensure the surivial of the species? Well the legion maybe because if they gave the women their rights back they would all run away. [quote\]



[quote\]{Perhaps we can just stick to Fallout.

I would like Fallout games to get back to equal equality brutality and stop this focus on the one gender being mistreated.
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Ha excatly they would all run away that's what happens in Fallout when you treat some one like that. Cause im pretty sure they're getting laid wearing skirts. So anyways i was just stating what the legion believes and for them to conquer so many tribes and absolve them into practically a hive mind of one belief ( i know it's totalatarian or marx whatever) they've got to be doing something right to survive this long not like the brotherhood of steel letting practically nobody in there faction. There dying i have agreed with Veronica on this so look i do not condone women being slaves i don't even think dogs should be slaves
not to be an [censored] or offend you for think that. AND Fallout is located in the US. :thumbsup: And men die so much more than women so what about the men how come were always getting shot in the face , why do we always have to be bad guys and why do super mutant voices and look like us bald and have a gritty man's voice? seriously every horrible looking thing in that game has a resemblance of sagging bald men. :fallout: i love fallout though im pretty sure there inention was just that not giving a [censored] it's the post apocalyptic era baby!!

why do all threads that have to do with legion turn in a debate about good and evil the main post of this thread was about us gettting legion dlc because of the tiny amount of quest, little control of the map and being force pro NCR dialogue now weather the legion is good or evil dosent matter what does matter is the lack of content of the legion so instead of pointless aguments were is obvious that both side will not change there minds can we please get back to the topic on hand please. i would realy like to see a legion dlc and when i say legion dlc i mean a dlc in a legion controled area think of the current game now with the ncr and legion places swapped that way were not making the ncr side with the legion

Actually you can enslave plenty of people, thought now I come to think about it only the Enclave personnel, raiders, Talon Co...

Cowards? The townspeople would have been able to beat them if they had only tried. But as Vulpes said, all of them were selfish cowards who only hoped to win the lottery, even though they saw their loved ones dragged away to be killed.

completely agree since when was was r.Ap3 grey ceaser legion is a terrible faction they feal very 1 dimensional compared 2 most factions.

If I may?

Nowhere is it suggested that a bunch of drunk, high townspeople would have been able to beat a group of professional, well-trained and ruthless soldiers.
To illustrate; Let's say you've got fifty people in a room, unarmed, against five people with machine guns. You can rush them, but you're all going to die. Ultimately, to quote Colonel Corazon Santiago, ""Superior training and superior weaponry have, when taken together, a geometric effect on overall military strength. Well-trained, well-equipped troops can stand up to many more times their lesser brethren than linear arithmetic would seem to indicate."."

Even if the townspeople were armed, fact of the matter is they are no match for professional soldiers like Legion.

It's real easy to sit here on our moral high horses and say "well, they should have done something" but fact is, if you're staring down a gun barrel I think you might have a bit of a different perspective on the matter.

The charge that Legion doesn't care about education or learning is a valid one; it's highly militant and places no value on education (ironically enough, considering Caesar was a Follower). Such a society would be extremely detrimental in the long run, as it would remain rooted at a basic subsistence level of existence. Suppressing scientific growth is bad, and won't end well.

It is cowardness if your loved ones are being killed before your eyes and you don't even try to help them.

Try telling that to Vietnam vets. The NVA used those tactics and it actually worked, at the cost of many of their own lives, but effective nonetheless.

yeah i am also at fault for also turning this into a good and evil thing. we're SUPPOSED to be talking about getting more legion oriented dlcs. well joshua graham is part (well was) of the legion so maybe our dreams might come true and i guess NCR has been in Fallout games alot more than the Legion and the Enclave rarely come out so maybe their changing the tide of the franchise.

With all due respect, there's a difference between fairly well armed guerrilla fighters operating in familiar terrain with local support fighting for the existence of their nation and a bunch of drunken gamblers who may or may not even be armed. Not really a valid comparison at all.





I'm not debating that it wasn't the right course of action, merely pointing out that it's easy to judge people for not acting when faced with certain death while sitting behind a computer screen. I'm not going to condemn people for not rushing unarmed at people with guns.

They were armed and some even did try and fight, like the ash pile that is a Legionaire in the trailer park with a dead waster holding a laser rifle.

Yeah, one or two were armed, but there were plenty that weren't; see the Town Hall for example.

The NVA, on the other hand, was a military organization conducting a war. Just trying to point out that it's a little silly to compare an extended guerrilla warfare campaign to the massacre of a town of drunks and gamblers.

Meh, armed or not, the placed needed to get steam rolled anyways, so it might as well have been the Legion.

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if little kids have the balls to live close to Vault 87 then Nipton could've taken men dressed in skirts.NUFF SAID.

Innocent people died in that town.

Remember, being a prosttute or a gambler doesn't make you a bad person. Ghost doesn't care because that's just how he is. Try telling that bearded officer at the Outpost that Nipton got razed and he's pretty shook up.

You can't honestly say they we're innocent the second they decided that this would be a great place to live(for themselves) they dug their own hole.But you know what? We know absolutely nothing of the people of Nipton besides the mayor being a [censored] but the Legion sure does make it sound like they we're all vile.

O an the NCR offiicer what shook because the legion is in NCR Territory and moving in not because the people died.

People live in crappy circumstances because they don't have a choice, not because they want to; see inner city slums for example.
The Legion also burns its military commanders alive for failing to achieve victory, they don't exactly have a track record of sane, rational behavior.

Actually, Vulpes clearly says that they could have easily overrun them but they never tried.

Dude, i see what your saying and i don't at the same time. You are trying to defend caesars legion as a cool faction, and they are, but all their trying to say here is, is that they do bad things... simply put, we all know that you dont want this in real life, they just want to say that their bad, but this game allows you to side with the villain, which is awsome

Yes, I'm aware of that, but that doesn't mean I believe it. Vulpes wants to establish the moral superiority of Caesar's Legion and so can tell the player whatever he wants, including the lie that there was no resistance (I count three dead legionaries in Nipton).

Given that he's already lied once, I see no reason to believe him when he asserts that the townspeople could have overcome the Legion troopers. He wants to emphasize their "cowardice" and so will say whatever he damn well pleases.

Weren't the three dead legionaries killed by that Mister Gutsy?

Or so you'd like to assume. And I don't argue assumptions.

Everything in-game points towards Nipton being a horrible place with horrible inhabitants.

Because people like to generalise. Just because everyone calls it a [censored]hole you're assuming that there weren't at least a few halfway decent people there.

My assumptions as you like to call it come from lore and in-game observations. That is what ultimately makes me right.