So, my school is officially the worst EVER. : Othor Games

» Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:30 pm

I still say it was uncalled for and out of line. Its like getting a ticket for littering when you didnt even know you dropped something as you take something else out of your pocket. Just cause the action was against some sort of law or rule doesnt make the punishment just or right.

Intention doesn't usually matter terribly much in law or rules. Sure, someone may get "involuntary manslaughter" instead of "manslaughter" by hitting someone with their car unintentionally, but they are still in trouble for hitting somebody with their car. The OP broke a rule and the punishment was that he got a zero on his test. There is no judge here - the punishment fits the crime, according to the school officials. It seems perfectly reasonable to me, especially because the OP blurted out an answer to a question. What would you suggest have been done instead?

» Thu Oct 28, 2010 5:53 am

I'd suggest the teacher pick a different bonus question/no bonus question for said student, heck even half off the paper would have been better than public humiliation and a ZERO on a test the OP clearly did well on.

I got from it that he whispered the answer under his breath to himself and the teacher happened to hear it, maybe he was in the front row? Not that he blurted it out for everyone to hear.

In my example I picked a minor offense that could warrant a ticket and not something as extreme as murder, because the OPs case really is not on the scale of killing someone.

» Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:01 pm

you know whats bad about my school getting my locker bashed in and being robbed of my ipod and wallet and all the school says is "you shouldnt have brought your ipod to school" no that makes a [censored] school wheres the justice

» Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:07 pm

you know whats bad about my school getting my locker bashed in and being robbed of my ipod and wallet and all the school says is "you shouldnt have brought your ipod to school" no that makes a [censored] school wheres the justice

Yeah, Its probably worse to have a lack of authority than too much... Talking specifically school wise.

Thats too bad though

» Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:36 am

I honestly don't blame the teacher.You said the answer to a test question out loud.No matter how easy it is you shouldn't do that.Most schools around me have the same policy.

» Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:59 pm

Wow, what a piece of [censored]. All he had to do was not count your answer to the bonus and it would have been fair punishment. Needless to say, history teachers are the absolute worst. They are the [censored] ups of the school system. Beyond their personal flaws is the fact that they think they actually know what they are talking about, which is quite hilarious. Most of the history teachers I've had taught as if they were just one chapter ahead of the class in the textbook. They had no legitimate understanding of what they were teaching, and emphasized all the wrong points. I can bet your teacher falls under this category.

» Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:23 pm

Soo.. I was in American history class, and we had an easy test to take. ( About 20 questions)
When we finished it, the teacher asked if we wanted a bonus question, and most of the class said yes.
The question was basically this: "Who is this? What did she do?" He made it easy on us... it was Hillary Clinton and she obviously was trying to be the president.

So, normally, when I absolutely KNOW the answer to a question, I usually whisper it to myself. I basically said to myself "OH! It's Hillary"
For whatever reason, he must have heard me and he came over to my desk and took my paper away. Then he said "Was that you?" and I said "Yes.." shocked that he heard me. Then he said to the class "In my classroom, we DO NOT say answer to tests out loud." Then he continued to rip the my test in half and he threw it in the trash.

After that, I just stood there amazed at what he just did. Everyone basically just stared and stayed quiet for the rest of the class.

What do you guys think about this? Should I go up to him next week and ask for a re-take?
This isn't the first time he's done this either.. he ripped one of my friends papers before because he was talking to the person next to him. ( I don't blame him for doing that, but what he did to me was ridiculous.) I think he has anger problems. He gets mad at the slightest things, I swear. Gah, I just wanna :slap: him so hard.

You should learn to keep your mouth shut during tests.
I also don't think he has anger management issues. Students should not communicate with each other during test time. How are instructors to know whether the students are cheating or not? Whispering an answer is classified as cheating where I come from.
You opened your mouth, the answer to the bonus question came out, the end.
He was in the right, you were in the wrong, svck it up and deal with the consequences of your actions.
Some schools suspend or expel students for cheating. You got off lucky.

And to Vault Teco : why would you leave valuables in your locker, instead of having them on your person?
I agree with the school, if you didn't want to take a chance on it being stolen, don't bring it there.

» Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:38 pm

Wow, what a piece of [censored]. All he had to do was not count your answer to the bonus and it would have been fair punishment. Needless to say, history teachers are the absolute worst. They are the [censored] ups of the school system. Beyond their personal flaws is the fact that they think they actually know what they are talking about, which is quite hilarious. Most of the history teachers I've had taught as if they were just one chapter ahead of the class in the textbook. They had no legitimate understanding of what they were teaching, and emphasized all the wrong points. I can bet your teacher falls under this category.

Hurray for stereotyping! :thumbsup: (yes, I know the other title for a history teacher...)

Saying the teacher overreacted...do folks have all of the info? Past history of each party? Teacher's style? What's the class like normally? Administrative rules? other?

It sounds like one of those "you had to be there" times. I could see myself doing what the teacher did, and I could see myself just calling the student a bonehead and giving out another question. Completely depends on context. :shrug:

» Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:33 am

you know whats bad about my school getting my locker bashed in and being robbed of my ipod and wallet and all the school says is "you shouldnt have brought your ipod to school" no that makes a [censored] school wheres the justice

See, here's the opposite story: Because of my visual disability I had a laptop during junior high and high-school. I would (and to many this will sound utterly irresponsible and I would have to agree) leave it inside my backpack, to go play Six Square (long story - think of four square but with six squares) for maybe 30 minutes to 45 minutes during my free periods. Never once did I have anything stolen from my backpack, including my laptop.

Of course, I went to a private school, so...

Oh, and the irony? A girl that I went to school with also had a laptop, and that got stolen from inside her backpack one day - though I think that was because she had made some enemies at the school.

But yeah - schools are not responsible for things that students bring to school and then get stolen. Lockers are for books and coats, not personal electronics (that being said, I had a massive lock on my locker when I used it. The maintenance guys were always pissed when I lost my key...)

» Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:55 pm

Sounds like you just screwed up.

But try to talk to your instructor and see if you can't get a re-test. Its an honest mistake, although one that you should make sure to curtail in the future.

As for everyone else, jeez luweez, what is your problem? This is school, not a damned military facility.

» Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:14 pm

Go punk and fight the system.

» Wed Oct 27, 2010 5:19 pm

Someone must have torn up something he had when he was a kid...it was HIS HEART. :sad:

» Wed Oct 27, 2010 5:58 pm

Someone must have torn up something he had when he was a kid...it was HIS HEART. :sad:

Your teacher kinda overeaccted here but you did say the answer aloud...Crammit, I'm just mimiking everyone here. Ask him for a re-test and say that you were sorry and it wont happen again. You think your school is bad? My teachers are rasict. They say things to my friends and make bad comments on different races.

» Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:43 pm

Wait, so you break the rules once in your school and your basically done? Flunked out for one misbehavior?

:unsure:

Only exam rules, chewing gum won't make them tear up your tests but saying an answer definitely will.

» Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:38 pm

Soo.. I was in American history class, and we had an easy test to take. ( About 20 questions)
When we finished it, the teacher asked if we wanted a bonus question, and most of the class said yes.
The question was basically this: "Who is this? What did she do?" He made it easy on us... it was Hillary Clinton and she obviously was trying to be the president.

So, normally, when I absolutely KNOW the answer to a question, I usually whisper it to myself. I basically said to myself "OH! It's Hillary"
For whatever reason, he must have heard me and he came over to my desk and took my paper away. Then he said "Was that you?" and I said "Yes.." shocked that he heard me. Then he said to the class "In my classroom, we DO NOT say answer to tests out loud." Then he continued to rip the my test in half and he threw it in the trash.

After that, I just stood there amazed at what he just did. Everyone basically just stared and stayed quiet for the rest of the class.

What do you guys think about this? Should I go up to him next week and ask for a re-take?
This isn't the first time he's done this either.. he ripped one of my friends papers before because he was talking to the person next to him. ( I don't blame him for doing that, but what he did to me was ridiculous.) I think he has anger problems. He gets mad at the slightest things, I swear. Gah, I just wanna :slap: him so hard.

Call me whatever, but I'm with the teacher. You gave away an answer to the test, okay it was by accident, but it allows other people to cheat.

There is only one score when cheating is in place - Zero.

This is what you can expect later on in education. Get caught talking or giving answers in a university exam, you'll be asked to leave the exam and fail the course. You may not even be allowed to continue your studies.

Tearing up the test helps communicate to everyone exactly whats going to happen if they do the same thing - the reason why the reprocussions for cheating are as they are is to discourage people from doing it - if people don't know thats the result, then its pretty pointless.

» Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:58 pm

Rule #72 of school: Never ever :slap: the teacher, with some exceptions here and there.

» Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:43 am

Maybe not say the answer out loud next time.

This.

» Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:47 pm

You shouldn't have said the answer but I think your teacher overreacted. What grade are you in btw?

I don't think its fair to say that your school is the worst ever because of one incident with one teacher -.-

» Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:19 am

I don't see anything here that justifies the title, but then again, i went to school in the last century :shrug:

» Wed Oct 27, 2010 5:47 pm

A lot of the replies in this thread are complete and utter [censored].

You accidentally blurted out the answer to an extra credit question.

That does not warrant ripping up your completed test which had nothing to do with that one single extra question.

You should not have to retake any test - you should be given an A for that particular test for him being a complete [censored] and a horrible teacher.

The most he should have done was change the question or not give you the extra points for it, since you gave them to everyone else.

Anyone saying it was your fault... Rules are rules... Or to keep your mouth shut is absolutely 100% wrong on the matter.

» Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:21 pm

Definitely an overreaction on his part. What you did was kind of foolish (sorry), but at most he should have just given you a zero on that extra credit question. I would speak with him about it and should that fail, speak with the school administration.

» Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:47 pm

Anyone saying it was your fault... Rules are rules... Or to keep your mouth shut is absolutely 100% wrong on the matter.

In your opinion - which is what everyone else has done on this thread, offer their opinion. No one has the right to say someone is '100% wrong' in this case. It's subjective...

Personally I don't think he's overreacted. You were caught cheating whether it was unintentional or not - hence a 0 paper. Feel free to go speak to him and ask for a resit but I don't see why he should spend his valuable time making you up another test just because you messed up. :shrug: Take it as a (harsh) lesson and don't do it again.

» Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:54 am

A lot of the replies in this thread are complete and utter [censored].

You accidentally blurted out the answer to an extra credit question.

That does not warrant ripping up your completed test which had nothing to do with that one single extra question.

You should not have to retake any test - you should be given an A for that particular test for him being a complete [censored] and a horrible teacher.

The most he should have done was change the question or not give you the extra points for it, since you gave them to everyone else.

Anyone saying it was your fault... Rules are rules... Or to keep your mouth shut is absolutely 100% wrong on the matter.

So the OP blurts out an answer to one of the test questions (yes, it was a bonus question, but it could have easily been a question written on the test itself) and you think he should get off scot free? He broke a rule. The punishment for breaking that rule is you get a zero on the test. Simple. If you break a rule, you have to pay the price for breaking it. It's pretty cut and dry here - but that's just my opinion (and probably the opinion of the teacher and the principal).

» Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:31 pm

So the OP blurts out an answer to one of the test questions (yes, it was a bonus question, but it could have easily been a question written on the test itself) and you think he should get off scot free? He broke a rule. The punishment for breaking that rule is you get a zero on the test. Simple. If you break a rule, you have to pay the price for breaking it. It's pretty cut and dry here - but that's just my opinion (and probably the opinion of the teacher and the principal).

Sieg Heil!

He didn't cheat on anything. He accidentally blurted out an answer without thinking on an extra question.

Did he cheat on the test itself? No.
Did he have a paper hidden giving him answers? No.
Was he talking with other students trying to get answers? No.
Was he peeking at another person's paper? No.
Was he using an electronic device to get answers? No.

He didn't cheat on a test.

The black and white notion of "you broke a rule" is pure idiocy. Black and white thinking is the worst kind there is.

He blurted out an extra credit answer by accident. He didn't cheat on the test he'd already finished by himself. He didn't give answers to any other regular questions. His tongue slipped for one second.

You. The Teacher. The Principal. Everyone agreeing with the teacher is flat out WRONG.

Let's try not to be rule Nazis here and instead take each case as it comes. Clearly in this case, he made a little mistake that could have easily been corrected by changing the question at hand. Instead the teacher decided to go ape [censored] and be a total [censored] which was completely uncalled for.

» Thu Oct 28, 2010 5:06 am

You. The Teacher. The Principal. Everyone agreeing with the teacher is flat out WRONG.

I think you need to appreciate that just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they're wrong. You said yourself that black and white thinking is wrong - yet you are saying everyone who disagrees with you is incorrect.