I don't care about the blades, but I killed Paarthurnax nevertheless after Alduin's demise.

With Alduin's death, Paarthurnax has become more of a threat than an asset to the world and the security of the people of Tamriel.


Dragons and mortals can never coexist peacefully forever, and so to protect both current and future generations, Paarthurnax had to be put down... as with the rest of his kin.


Atlough it 'was sad to kill a good friend even if it was necessary :<

He's been sitting around for thousands of years, peacefully. He fights his urges constantly. Then a dragonborn shows up.

Now, seeing as a dragonborn can completely kill a dragon, why the hell would Paarhurnax lose himself to these urges once a dragonborn is around again. If anything, he would be best to meditate harder to harness these urges, especially if he's left to live after Alduin is killed. Alduin's death should be at least a reminder that even the strongest can fall. So if anything, leaving Paarhurnax alive after Alduin's fall should make a strong impact on him and how he views these urges, and whether or not it is worth to let go.

Hmm yes good point.

Its not medieval though.
Its fantasy. And if any parallel should be drawn with our world, it would be renaissance. They are far too advanced for medieval.

But its still a good point that in the setting we are talking about, death is a common punishment.

It is a game but just as movies are movies one would hope that sometimes it makes you think about the real world. And in recent news games really do affect your mindset they tested their brains poked around and found differences (Good bad changes probably up to viewer, there do exists conditions were people can have problems differentiating reality and illusion but that is another story).(http://www.sciencedaily.com/search/?keyword=video+games)

When exactly did Paarthurnax commit treason or what law did he break back then? If it really is the past then the legal system is murky/non-existent and for one group to say that theirs is the only way is dubious given the differences in decisions the past era's have taken. History already judged his past from multiple points of view. The Blades just want him dead period no questions asked, it may not make any sense but that's what they want. And you as the player have the choice so make your choices have your justifications (Random, completionist, right thing, wrong thing to do, etc. ...)

Sure the game has limited choices but you still have a choice to make at least.

I wasn't aware that genocide had an expiration date. You see my and the Blades reasoning at least?


No I mean Alduin and the Dragon's attacking Whiterun and the like. The Blades were re-organised with the intent of killing Alduin, not Paarthurnax, don't forget.


Dragon's seem like a relevent threat to me.


The are every much Blades in mind, being Dragon-Born doesn't make you leader. That if anything is a relic of the past, once the Dragons were killed and their was no need for a Dragon-Slayer they swore loyalty to the Emperor. Now the need for a Dragon-Killer is back so they need to find a Dragon-Born to help them.


Yet a life-time of service in the Blades counts for nothing it seems. Point is 1000 years is nothing to Paarthurnax, and even then the fact that he is only suppressing them not curing them is a big factor. He must always meditate to keep on top of things.

And self-interest is what it says. Saying that humans can be pretty barbaric is not the same as being born with a natural instinct to lead a dictatorship and fight things.


That's your call, you've already said justice isn't so simple. Save the world = Forgiven all past sins. Again, your call.

Yes, true. But, it doesn't mean there isn't room for disagreement with old ideals. It's the same principle that spurred Martin Luther to leave the Church because of his different belief of how marriage should be.





I'm not slapping the name on anything, at least not in the sense you're using. Talos is essentially the original Dragonborn. He created the Blades, first to destroy Dragons, second to be his eyes and ears because he could only be in one at place at one time. The Blades are first and foremost loyal to the Dragonborn, the Emperor second. It's just convenient that Talos became the Emperor and his Septim bloodline carried on the tradition of being Dragonborn. Fast forward to fourth era, the Blades are nearly extinct as only two (known) members remain.

Yes, the Blades are established, yet the two known surviving members lack the spine and courage to question those very same ideals? You've said it yourself and it's grinding a wedge discreetly into your own argument. The Blades are willing to question and disobey the very same bloodline that established them in the first place, and yet they're unwilling and stubborn to the point they'll refuse to consider changing the direction of their establishment? Even worse, they're being wiped out by Thalmor inquisition and yet they worry about a lone Dragon that helped save the world twice - a Dragon, mind you, that can be put down just as easily as any other lesser Dragon. It's a ridiculous notion and a poorly thought out concept for the Blades. In fact, the Blades should be punished for their ignorance of the greater threat. Their refusal to adapt to a new age is what's killing them, not the Dragons. The more they focus on spilling the blood of Dragons, the more leverage the Thalmor gain.

Edit: Paragraph split.

Your quite tricky with the forum magic your post edits move your single post around a lot never seen it so often before.

Also not one for modifying the timelines in a forum but, when was peace a threat. Killing him will make your point self fulfilling as they would never trust you after you kill the one who trusted you. Slam that door on the atoner alright but the Graybreads do give an appropriate what the hell player response.

I wonder how many times i responded to this in the past. Maybe one day I will have a very short answer to it.

A lot of good discussion here but i think my eyes need some rest. The fact of the matter is, with respect to what this topic was originally meant for, there is a lack of choice and player decision in the game. There is no option to re-organize the Blades under a new ideal and establishment, and this is a major problem if you ask me, considering what we know about the current situation (Thalmor, etc). Some things just never change.

Talos didn't fight any Dragons. It was Reman Cyrodiil who was a Dragon-Born and whom the original Akaviri Invaders swore loyalty to, they became his "Dragon-Guard" his personal boduguard, elite soldiers and Dragon-Slayers; this organisation later became the Blades.

It's liess that they are worried about Paarthurnax. It's probably more of a test for the Dragon-Born. Your right of course, the Blades are all but dead. Then they find they can do something to stop the Dragon threat and even find a Dragon-Born, but the Dragon-Born is of questionable loyalty - hell you can be head of the Thieves guild or Dark Brotherhood or anything right? - so they see if he is truly someone they can trust. Paarthurnax did bad things, that's the justification, but really it's just as much a trial as getting the Horn of Windcaller for the Greybeards as far as they are concerned.

It makes perfect sense given their position.

@above: Indeed, I grow weiry of this discussion. I'll check the page later in the day.

Not really, funny though you bring up genocide like it wasn't averted twice for one species and happening twice for another. Victor's justice nay?


So why then do they think Paarthurnax is a threat to Whiterun? Paarthurnax stopped Alduin once and was instrumental again, Blades you don't even need to talk to them to get all the information from other sources.


Help them you mean be their pawn and don't ask questions.


Well 1000 years shows some pretty consistent results maybe check back in another 1000 years just in case.

I don't think time flows any differently if you live longer. Dictators and fighting comes up in IRL history quite a bit you know and it is extremely rare to have a defector from decadence turn so far in one direction, admit fault and self punish themselves.


Become aware of evil you are, betray your species and brother, free another species, watch your species get wiped out, wait eras to do it again, keep going?. Not sure but that isn't very simple. Its not like he says he is forgiven he has the strong appearance of an atoner on a lifelong journey.

A test? you might need to go Dark Knight on them. (The parallels in architecture are neatly aligned too)
Picking up an item and killing someone is a big difference. Fetch quest != assassination quest. Plus they messed up that fetch quest and made it a multiple hop fetch quest.