I was wondering what you guys and gals thought about a second Talos. When talking to the grey beards they go to great lengths to mention that whether or not you are the only dragonborn they do not know, but that you are the last. As in the last one to ever be born. This does not rule out the possibility that there is one other, or more dragonborns walking around on Nirn.

So I started to think about Talos and his story about how he, a simple man, came to power via his Thu'um and against high odds conquered all of Tamerial and brought a peace to the lands. Now here we are stuck in a time where Tamerial is once again in chaos, wars wagging left and right, and dragons have returned to be driven off by a dragonborn which hasn't been seen in centuries. I kinda figure we might have another hero god who steps forward, puts the elves in their place and once again bring a peace to Tamerial. I don't it will be the player character, though the thought does sometime cross my mind, but I feel that the devs made it a point to say he might not be the last one so they could use it in a later game as the lore. Or maybe the elves will finally gain rule of Tamerial as they feel they deserve.

What do you think? Do you think it is possible or just some hopeful wishing?

The Dovahkiin could certainly be a Shezzarine. Maybe (s)he'll reunite/conquer Tamriel and then go to some far away place like Akavir.

Dragon of the North come again? Aye indeed that this dragon is Ysmir returned as the old ones spoke it, but whether or not he can walk the steps of the dead and turn cycles into Stormcrown by the way of the fourth has yet to be seen.

Ysmir is a title bestowed by the Greybeards to the dragonborn

Long has the Stormcrown languished with no worthy brow to sit upon. By our breath we bestow it now to you....


The Greybeards make it clear you are the dragonborn that has been revealed...not necessarily the last

And yet the prophecy in the Book of the Dragonborn states: "... And the wheel turns upon the last Dragonborn."

yes, but the greybeards don't necessarily know that.

Anyway you won't go after Talos, the Emperor is to important a figure to be a unknown.

I'm rather confused about the "last Dragonborn" business, as the way it's portrayed on Alduin's Wall, that should mean that this is the end of time. If this isn't the end of time, it's rather unclear why this Dragonborn should be the last one, either.

I'm pretty sure "last" is in the context that the Dragonborn is the last Dragonborn when the prophecy is fulfilled.

My assumption, which is just that a wild guess at what could possilbly be, is not that the player character from Skyrim is the next hero god, but that there is another Dovahkiin which will be become the hero god of lore when/if the next TES game comes out. I just found it odd that they would make mention that you might not be the only dragonborn. Kind of leaves a hole for there to be more and who knows what Bethesda has planned for them.

I think that mythic cycle is getting a bit stretched now. We know that there is a Fifth Age, and from we've heard of it, it's vastly different than anything we can think of.

God I hope not! I love the idea of having a rival empire with independent nations spread throughout. Way better story telling imo.... If they go back to the old model we'll get Oblivion all over again. People where way to nice in that game...

Well, Time was supposed to end. Now things are sort of free-floating and bizarre because there's more kalpa than there was supposed to be. So I think people will have to set about making some new prophecies to predict all the time that they would not have had.

But as for a new Talos, I think yes. I'm sure my theory of Talos being basically recursion is floating about somewhere. Skyrim's Dragonborn is just the next one in the line if I'm right, and there will be more.

I'm pretty sure it was Alduin jumping the gun rather the Dragonborn shoving a god's plan into the dirt, especially when you consider that being dragonborn is a blessing bestowed by Akatosh.

What do you mean its vastly different? Just as in a lot of stuff has changed from what we know of Tamerial, or they have moved into a era of machines like the industrial revolution? God I hope this doesn't turn into fable. Id rather stick with my swords and bows over a gun any day.


You sure it was suppose to end? I thought that Alduin prematurely attacked the world which is why you are sent to stop him because he wasn't suppose to be doing that yet. I know he is suppose to, but I don't think in the timeline he was suppose to do it at that point.

We've also gotten hints about a Ninth Era, in http://www.imperial-library.info/content/kinmune.

While the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/loveletter-fifth-era-true-purpose-tamriel has hints about many changes, it's hard to know how different it really would be from the perspective of ordinary people, or heroes at the start of their journeys for that matter. Consider how strange some of the details are in the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/nu-mantia-intercept, and yet that dates from the late Third Era, the period with which we're most familiar. Or to put it another way, as Nu-Hatta says of First Era Ayleids, "large numbers of Ayleids showed more interest in the immediate earthly needs of agriculture rather than the magical needs of concept-farming". So exotic as some of the details are that are hinted at in Loveletter or Kinmune, it's likely that large numbers of Cyrodiils will show more interest in the immediate earthly needs of agriculture, or perhaps of industrial wage-labor.

I actually would like to see what gamesas and crew could do with a future installment of the Elder Scrolls that draws from the tropes of steampunk, so long as they claim it and make it their own, which I'm sure they would.

I think the Dovahkiin will eventually turn into a Dragon, but more literally than Talos. Like Tosh Raka. He'll then just sit on top of a mountain, and 2 games down the road we'll be able to ask him for some of his ancient and terrible wisdom. Or he becomes a Dragon God.

This, but not exactly. IMO, the Dragonborn is Alduin of prophecy, the one destined to consume the world.

Tosh Raka is Auriel. To become Dragons (that is, et'ada, not Aedra) is the goal of both the Altmer and to Ka Po' Tun.

Steam punk is a pretty fascinating genre. It would be interesting to see Beth use some of it as elements in their next game. I wouldn't want a full blown steam punk game but floating blimps and other type of steam powered machines would be pretty wicked.

It depends what you mean by "full-blown". Some things popular in steam punk would be out of place: the Victorian clothing and the archaic British schoolboy slang. But there's plenty of precedent for a distinctly Tamrielic machine culture. Eventually, all those Mage Guild investigations of Dwemer ruins should pay off, and there's doubtless a lot to learn from Sotha Sil's Clockwork City.

Don't like him. A second Ysgramor, now THERE'S something. Long as he leaves the Bosmer be.

He's late rather than early. The end has already been pushed forward once.

Don't worry about technology. It'll all be god-computers and superlasers made of welkynd stones and glass all powered by magic, not steam and gunpowder.

Note Alduin didn't die, he was banished further into the future and the wheel of exsistence wasn't considered actually in threat seeing as how Alduin barely did anything to the outside world but stop nords going to the afterlife and resurrecting dragons, thus the Dragonborn in skyrim is NOT the last one due to Alduin not permamently being killed but only banished further into the future like in the dragon wars.

Hrmm interesting, so are we not the dragon born of the prophecy then? TES has some odd lore behind it, yet I still enjoy learning as much as I can, even though a lot of things don't make sense