GI did a 3 page artcile on combat.. and there was no mention of hand to hand. I loved being able to get into fist fights with people. Its so much fun being able to have a brawl in town isntead of using weapons.

The Dunmer using hand to hand in Seyda Neen(Morrowind) was memorable for me since it was an early quest. And I think the city Bravil had a fight club in Oblivion?

It would be great if the devs decided to put it back.. Maybe we could fight hand to hand with no weapons in town, and not get is so much trouble with people. I mean it's Skyrim with Nords, who drink alot right?

there better be hand to hand combat.
i want to make a khajit in skyrim that is a master of hand to hand combat like i did in oblivion

Does seem to be quite absent in the articles lately. I was kinda hoping to be able to use a sword and a hand to punch/push with. Assassin characters look kinda dumb with a big shield. Really hoping it's in.

maybe they didn't mention it because they didn't improve it much.
honestly, unless I see it written officially, or I don't see it in the game, I won't believe it's gone

You realize that you can just not equip weapons right? I mean, it's a pretty obvious concept, there's really no need for it to be specifically mentioned.

You guys obviously didn't read the whole article they practically confirmed hand to hand in the very first paragraph of the GI hub update that is on the website.


Taking Up The Blade third line first paragraph, read it guys. Don't come to conclusions.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and all that...

http://twitter.com/#!/DCDeacon/status/29685665197195264

No Hand-to-Hand confirmed! ... not.
Is anyone's sarcasm-sense tingling?

Which one?

Can you just post a quote?


Way, way over 9000 on the meter.

Good point.. I didn't take it to mean the skill since there is no explanation or an example of a perk for it like the others melee skills. At least it's something to hold onto hope with.

@Orzorn I believe he means this - "With Skyrim's combat system, Bethesda wants to restore the visceral nature of hand-to-hand combat. The first step? Changing the pace of the close quarters battles."


Thank you! I wonder why GI didn't mention one of its perks?

it was so awesome in FO3 and NV, i'm certain they didn't just scrap it.

That is true, I wouldn't take the lack of evidence of hand to hand as a sign that it's removed, especially since hand to hand has been something past games have lacked, so saying "hand to hand is still in the game." is not big news, what would be news worthy is the REMOVAL of it. Though the lack of mention of hand to hand in an article about combat might mean Bethesda didn't do anything impressive with hand to hand, and therefore it's not considered worth talking about, or, and this is the possibility I'd much prefer, they decided to leave the details of hand to hand to a later time.

I doubt hand to hand is not in the game, even if it's dropped as a skill, which I hope is not the case, but I could see happening, there's no reason they can't let you still attack with no weapon equipped and have the effectiveness determined only by strength.

Okay, well, besides, think about it. Fighting with fists HAS to be in, how else would normally defenseless (or very rowdy bar patrons) defend themselves/break chairs over peoples heads?

guys, im pretty sure hand-to-hand will be in... they cant POSSIBLY expect you to be with a weapon or spell at all times... besides, cutting out hand-to-hand would just completely piss a majority of fans off.

...then again, they did take out spears, and probably still havent brought them back, despite the huge demand for their return...

...ok, maybe im wrong, maybe they did take out hand-to-hand, and will probably take out warhammers and staves, too.

who knows, maybe even longswords will be gone, along with axes and maces in TES7. :facepalm:

by the way, if anyone is wondering if im being sarcastic... i honestly have no idea. :shrug:

To be quite honest, I don't believe the writer meant actual hand-to-hand combat. I think he was referring to melee combat as a whole (some tend to switch them out interchangeably). I think hand-to-hand will still be in the game, but it's probably not going to get an overhaul like the other combat aspects.

Oh come on. A land filled with big, hairy, shirtless men and no hand to hand? You all sound ridiculous. I don't think its too much to hope for for a bar fighting minigame a la The Witcher. The country is right for it.

I think hand to hand will be in.I also think it will be improved alot.
You can't expect all info about everything at once,they need to keep people interested till release.
What we've seen is the tip of the iceberg.
Also i can't see them improving combat and leaving hand to hand the same as in oblivion,does'nt make sense.
Alot of people liked to use hand to hand,and bethesda knew ( from fans ) that it was'nt that great in oblivion.

Just don't hold a weapon

Exactly. Hand-to-Hand has to be in. If you have no weapon equipped and you get in a fight, the character will take out his fists. I doubt Bethesda would leave it out. A lot of people enjoy making a Hand-to-Hand character, myself included. It's great for RPing.

lol, I'm pretty sure Slivade can be counted as Pete Hines #1 most annoying twitter follower

I wonder when he'll pop in his head on theseforums and see this . :whistling:
/sarcasm

He does get good info, I'll give him that much haha.

Yeah, I would imagine Bethesda would really want to improve hand to hand, I can't wait to see the special killing moves of hand to hand. I want to kill a boar in an awesome way! Yay!

Whilst I'm not saying they have removed Unarmed combat, the GI articles use of the term "hand to hand" simply refers to MELEE combat, not UNARMED combat...
I thought it would have been obvious given that the section was titled taking up the blade, and through out it they talk about swords, axes, maces and fail to mention any perks or actual combat mechanics associated with unarmed combat.

There probably will be unarmed combat, but its by no means confirmed in the article.
I just hope they go a step beyond just including unarmed combat, and they actually make it a viable option by ensuring it has perks, combo's and allowing enchants for fist slots equivalent to weapon enchants.

If there is no hand to hand, those trolls in the pretty pictures shouldn't be able to hurt you. And there must be disarming perks, so unless every bandit carries a stash of spare weapons, disarm = render unable to attack. Hand to hand must be in.

While were on a hand to hand thread....

http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&rlz=1R2ADFA_enUS407&q=tekko%20kagi&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi
You know you want to stab a bandit with these bad boys.

Unless your Khajiit, you got built in ones.

Going against a dragon with your bare fists would be a bit much even for the Dovahkiin. They could add some fist weapons and claws I guess, but that could go under the one-handed weapon category.

Pete's twitter actually sounds like he's confirming it is in, just going by the "tone" of his sarcasm. I mean he wouldn't say that if it actually was worse, would he, ha ha. He would have to be a pretty dry dude to get a laugh of that. I would but i doubt he would.

Therefore i'm saying hand-to-hand = Pete + Todd = Skyrim + Oblivion = Hand to Hand bliviongate: