Whist searching for "Star-Wound" on TIL I came across this: http://www.imperial-library.info/content/serminuxia-marukhati-sermons. Needless to say, this is some heavy, heavy stuff. I only read a bit into it before beginning to post this, and let's just say this is one hell of a thing to find before planning on going to sleep. Tomorrow when I invest in a large bad a chips and a two liter of Dr. Pepper, I'll really go deep into this one.

I dare say this isn't the normal fanfic, and it represents Monkey Truth at its darned best in my opinion, seeing as it's a litany from the Imga's very mouth.

Geez, did this Brian S invent a language too? Again, heavy stuff.

What are your all's thoughts on this? And how the hell haven't I seen this thing yet?!?

According to the TIL thread, I'm the only person in the world who isn't completely blown away :/

And you haven't seen it cause you don't hang out on TIL

I don't remember saying this. Sorry if I insulted you, but I read over my post several times, and I didn't see any implications of that. Not everything I post on here is a insult ya know

Yes, I suppose I don't. I never really considered TIL as a place to hang out and talk about lore. That's what I thought this forum was for.

Er, that thread on TIL, not this thread here. Edited for clarity.

You weren't impressed by that? I'd ask what it takes to impress you, but I won't for the sake of positivity and HAPPYDOUBLEPLUSGOODFRIENDLINESS!

Still do you think it holds up as good monkey truth? Granted, I've yet to fully read the thing, but what I have read is pretty nice. Poetic yet not indigestible; written for meaning as well as flowerosity. I'm surprised I hadn't seen it on t0, so is it just the polar opposite of TIL lore?

This might not have been the best thread, but I'm still interested in the concepts that bit raises considering there hasn't been much official (ingame and dev) work on Marukh.

Of the things I noticed, I was surprised it kept with the motif of "love", considering the most un-love-like practices of the Marukhati and the Alessian Order.

Oh monkeys. So vulgar and blunt, and yet this purple prose...
TES needs more period pieces. 3rd Era + 200 is getting so overworked. Or maybe, I just like Alessia.

I like Alessia too along with the Alessian Order, despite their abject barbarity. It's an interesting and largely overlooked era of Tamrielic history.

One of these days I'm gonna find a way to make a new avatar with a picture of a monkey saying, "IM IN UR TOWER EDITING UR DRAGON"

That or I'll make a wikipedia entry for Akatosh with the Auri-el section largely erased and replaced by bad trolling.

TIL doesn't have the censorship TESF does, which is why some prefer it.
Asking whether it holds up as good monkeytruth implies there can be bad monkeytruth, but there can't. It has to be good before it can be monkeytruth at all.

Then I'll rephrase my question: Does Serminuxia count as monkey truth?

You're asking for an objective answer to a subjective question. This game is about you, not us - if you like it, roll with it...

So much hostility in response to a simple question. I'm the inquisitive type, and I'd very much like subjective answer. And this game is about the big You, not just you. It was made by a collaborative effort, and that spirit of collaboration continues in such groups such as t0 of which you are a part, that deems it necessary to give the illusion of objectivity by deciding what is and what is not up to snuff in terms of literary and thematic standards. We see collaboration even now with the PGE 2nd ed.

That work is hailed and praised regardless of non-dev contribution, thus it gains more clout as being potential canon.

True anyone can submit anything, but quality is quite relative, and I dare say you'd react differently to a shoddy writing betraying the lore than you would something like the PGE 2nd ed.

So again I'll ask: What do you think of Serminuxia? Do you think it's worthy of being called Monkey Truth. If subjectivity has no part in TES, why then is there a t0 at all? To quote the website:




There. Subjectivity.

Fine. I think that it is too derivative. It reuses too many of the same metaphors, ideas, and even phrases for it to feel like a real sermon by Marukh, who I feel should see the world in a manner radically different from Vivec's (which is the most common viewpoint of these things). It has some really good things in it, but I feel that it needs an editing pass, not only for that aforementioned flavor insertion but also to clear up a central narrative/idea.

The question isn't really simple. You're asking us to comment on and critique an unfinished text for a dead mod from over four years ago, which the author posted in the fan fiction section of a forum just to get it out there. I personally don't exactly feel comfortable doing that, but since you're asking I've provided my opinion.

Thank you. I feel the same way after reading it. It feels like reading a hybrid of Commentaries and Lessons that betrays the violent nature of the Alessians. You can tell the bear in the top hat that this thread is no longer necessary.

There was zero hostility there, I think you're just used to me arguing with you.
Which is why I said there can't be bad monkeytruth.
My entire point was that it's too subjective for me to give you an answer of "yes [or no], this makes the cut." Hence why I said it's a subjective question, hence why I said if you like it then roll with it. That's the only answer there is, if you like it, roll with it - BATW is the only thing to consider.

I am! How astute. And to think I was so close to getting a true forum nemesis. Oh well... now where is Lord Hyamentar...

I understand that much.

You were saying that Serminuxia is too subjective for a yes/no answer?

If I may ask; how exactly does t0 choose what is and isn't monkey truth? By committee?

Such things are beyond my comprehension, and even if it weren't my mouth would be stuffed with birds before I could speak.

Though in truth, T0 doesn't choose what is and isn't monkeytruth, they just facilitate and encourage it's practice - it has no more authority than the devs.

Nevermind then. I thought you were one of the bigwigs over there. I haven't seen much activity there lately. I'll pop in every once in awhile to see if any new stories are up, but none seem to be. Need to keep that pirate ship afloat.

Indeed, I'm just a lowly peon along for the ride.

What was your submission by the way?

I had written the first part of something (that was promptly given a logic KO by Infernal City ), but when I posted it, I think it was past the point where people were actively going to that site. It's a shame. Maybe the Return False business will cause more people to go to the site and drink in the heresy.

I just snuck in when the Temple was still under construction put on a mask and they've yet to figure me out.

Sneak has increased to 76.

Rest and meditate on what you've learned.

Every creature should have a creation myth. Beginners could start off making references to a dragon and a heartbeat. Experts could weed out those slowly until the entire thing is unrecognizable, save for some overall motif or none at all!

Like a dreughnurse telling her egglings a bedtime story--how the Hermit Lord took the mightiest conch-shell as her own.

I have no idea what you're talking about, but it sounds nice enough.

I had a few more lines to that, but the mythos references got way too obvious

Something about conquest for the Mightiest Shell ever; "I can hear the ocean!"; and algae and barnacles and shellnofey piling atop the Mightiest Conch.

Then I realized I gypped the "orc myth" with the Sload Story's frametale. Sigh

And here I thought it was completely original. Don't admit to ripping people off until they accuse you of it!