Several Mods Apparently Not Working : IV

» Tue May 03, 2011 7:06 am

Hello everyone,

I've recently been reinstalling and remodding Oblivion, but I seem to have run into a rather annoying issue. No matter how many mods I install, it looks like some of them just refuse to function like they're supposed to. The most noticable are the quest delayers, including SM Plugin Refurbished. At first I thought my alternate start was the culprit, but I tried with the vanilla start, Immediate Char Gen, Alternate Start by Ship, and the latest by Arthmoor, but that didn't help. So I reinstalled the game again, and started mod by mod, but still they don't work.

Here's my LO if it helps:

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.2.1]02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]06  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]07  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]08  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]09  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]0A  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm0B  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 3.5.6]0C  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]0D  TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp0E  TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp0F  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.4]10  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp11  DLCShiveringIsles.esp12  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]13  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp14  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp15  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp16  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]17  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]18  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.2]19  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.2.1]1A  Immersive Interiors.esp  [Version 0.7]1B  Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp  [Version 0.7]1C  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp++  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD - SI Addon.esp  [Version 0.2]++  Symphony of Violence.esp1D  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.2.1]1E  WindowLightingSystem.esp1F  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]20  Q - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.esp21  Willful Resistance.esp  [Version 4.0]22  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.2.2]23  FF_Real_Thirst.esp24  Choices and Consequences.esp  [Version 2.02]25  kuerteeIgnoringTheMainQuestHasConsequences.esp26  DarNifiedUI Config Addon.esp27  kuerteeSittableRocks.esp28  Streamline 3.1.esp29  DLCHorseArmor.esp2A  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]2B  DLCOrrery.esp2C  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]2D  DLCVileLair.esp2E  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]2F  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp30  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]31  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]32  Book Jackets DLC.esp33  GrimbotsSpellTomes.esp34  DLCThievesDen.esp35  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]36  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]++  MMM_Runeskull_Rebalance_BETA2.esp  [Version Beta]37  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]38  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]39  FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp3A  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp3B  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3C  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3D  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]3E  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]3F  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]40  OCC-OOO-Patch.esp  [Version 2.4]41  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]42  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]43  OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp  [Version 1.0]44  Choices and Consequences - OOO.esp  [Version 2.0]++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]45  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]46  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderhardcoe.esp  [Version 0.9.9]47  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesStronger.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]48  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]49  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4A  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4B  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]4C  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]4D  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp++  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp4E  Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp4F  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp50  EiAmod.esp  [Version 1.1]++  EiAmod_ShiveringIsles.esp++  EiAmod_ChoicesandConsequences.esp++  EiAmod v1.2 Delayer.esp  [Version 3.1]51  Nanaelas Heartbreak.esp52  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]53  Transmutation.esp54  Cyrodiil Travel Services.esp  [Version 2.0.7]55  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp56  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]57  DLCFrostcrag.esp58  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]59  Knights.esp5A  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]5B  SM Plugin Refurbish(Merged).esp  [Version 1.30]5C  Choices and Consequences - SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 2.0]5D  TOTF.esp5E  TOTF-EiAE Patch.esp++  TOTF Delayer.esp5F  RTT.esp60  MannimarcoRevisited.esp61  MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp  [Version 0.1]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]62  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]63  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]64  xulTheHeath.esp65  XulEntiusGorge.esp66  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]67  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]68  EtInArkay-ColovianHighlands patch.esp69  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]6A  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]6B  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]6C  EtInArkay-BravilBarrowfields patch.esp6D  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]6E  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]6F  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]70  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]71  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]72  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]73  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.3]74  xulPantherRiver.esp75  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]76  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]77  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.6]78  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]79  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]7A  TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp7B  KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp7C  EtInArkay-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp7D  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]7E  EtInArkay-AspenWood patch.esp7F  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]80  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.2]81  OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp82  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp83  OOOCliffsofAnvilPatch.esp  [Version 1.0]84  MMMDungeons-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp  [Version 1.0]85  Open Cities New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.1]86  Open Cities Full.esp  [Version 3.5.7]87  OCC-ULCH-Patch.esp  [Version 2.2]88  OC+Cheydinhal Falls Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]89  OC+ULSkingradOutskirts Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]8A  FF_Real_Thirst Cobl_-_OC_Patch.esp8B  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]8C  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]8D  Birthsigns Expanded.esp  [Version 3.21.]8E  kuerteeInventoryIsABackpack.esp++  GotNoClass.esp8F  Alternative Beginnings.esp  [Version 1.0]90  OWE&P.esp91  RealisticFatigue.esp92  RealisticHealth.esp93  RealSleepExtended.esp  [Version 2.5]94  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90b]95  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.90]96  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_VanillaSpells.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.90]97  AudaciousMagery.esp98  StealthOverhaul.esp99  DD_ProximitySneakPenalty.esp9A  RenGuardOverhaul.esp9B  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.5]9C  nGCD.esp++  nGCD Birthsigns.esp9D  nGCD Oghma Infinium.esp++  nGCD Skeleton Key.esp9E  ProgressGSD.esp  [Version 2.0]9F  ProgressMBSP.esp  [Version 2.0]A0  ProgressSBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]A1  ProgressRBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]A2  ProgressRacial.espA3  ProgressArmorer.esp  [Version 1.0]A4  ProgressMercantile.esp  [Version 1.11]A5  The Versatile Adventurer.esp**  Cava Obscura - Cyrodiil.esp**  Cava Obscura - SI.esp**  Cava Obscura - Filter Patch For Mods.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag.esp  [Version 0.78]A6  TRAP.espA7  MM_NoMoreAnnoyingMessages.esp  [Version 1.2]A8  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.espA9  kuerteeDetectLifeEffectNightEyeShader.espAA  Real Hunger, Cobl.esp  [Version 1.6.1]**  Open Cities Classic Road Record.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]AB  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.2]AC  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

If any of you can give me a hand, I'd be very grateful.

Cheers,
Gerwin

» Mon May 02, 2011 9:15 pm

Make sure the game is patched to 1.2.0416. Most mods won't work w/o it.

» Tue May 03, 2011 1:11 am

I've just checked, and it's completely patched. I've got the Steam GOTY edition if it makes any difference.

Cheers,

» Mon May 02, 2011 9:31 pm

I've just checked, and it's completely patched. I've got the Steam GOTY edition if it makes any difference.

Cheers,

I have the Steam version so I can say that you should be fully patched. One thing I will ask is if you have OBSE correctly installed. You need the steam_loader.dll as well as the other three files installed into the oblivion directory. Also under Steam Settings have you got Enable Steam Community In-Game under the In Game tab ticked? If this isn't ticked then OBSE will not initialize and so all the mods that rely on it will not work.

Artorius.

» Tue May 03, 2011 6:35 am

Right, so I reinstalled OBSE 20b5, got the initialization message, but my delayers still don't work. Not even the Tears of the Fiend delayer, which doesn't even rely on OBSE.

Cheers,

» Tue May 03, 2011 7:01 am

So, I did some more testing, and even moving SM Plugin Refurbished to the place before or after my bashed patch doesn't make it work, which seems very odd to me. I also downgraded OBSE to v19, but that didn't work either. I'm starting to think something might be wrong with Wrye Bash, but I don't have a clue on how to check for that.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Cheers,

» Tue May 03, 2011 2:28 am

Did you install Steam itself in C:\Program Files on accident?

» Tue May 03, 2011 4:56 am

That's also a no. I installed it in C:\Games\ .

Cheers,

» Tue May 03, 2011 1:22 am

That's also a no. I installed it in C:\Games\ .

Cheers,

Guess number two: Have you tried disabling anti-virus software, or adjusting the settings your anti-virus program has? Some of them act like UAC.

» Tue May 03, 2011 3:45 am

Yup, tried that as well. Turned of as many settings as I could in MSE, but that's also a no go. :brokencomputer:

Cheers,

» Mon May 02, 2011 11:05 pm

Yup, tried that as well. Turned of as many settings as I could in MSE, but that's also a no go. :brokencomputer:

Cheers,

Third guess: Did you place a check in the OBSE enabled box in Wrye Bash? I have overlooked this doing a reinstall.

» Mon May 02, 2011 11:19 pm

Which version of Wrye Bash are you using? Also, have you checked off all the appropriate categories and their contents within the Bashed Patch, the last time you rebuilt it?

» Tue May 03, 2011 8:07 am

Which version of Wrye Bash are you using? Also, have you checked off all the appropriate categories and their contents within the Bashed Patch, the last time you rebuilt it?

I'm using Wrye Bash 291 at the moment, which should be the latest.

Third guess: Did you place a check in the OBSE enabled box in Wrye Bash? I have overlooked this doing a reinstall.

I think it might have to do with steam, but there is no enable OBSE checkbox in my install. There is in my Wrye Flash for Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas though.

Cheers,

» Tue May 03, 2011 4:08 am

I think it might have to do with steam, but there is no enable OBSE checkbox in my install.

It normally means that Wrye Bash can't find OBSE, so it thinks you don't have it. That may give you a clue about where the installation's gone wrong. Possibilities are that something's installed a level further down than it should be (e.g. in Data when it should be up in the Oblivion folder) or vice versa.

» Tue May 03, 2011 7:40 am

It normally means that Wrye Bash can't find OBSE, so it thinks you don't have it. That may give you a clue about where the installation's gone wrong. Possibilities are that something's installed a level further down than it should be (e.g. in Data when it should be up in the Oblivion folder) or vice versa.

Alright, so I checked that out, but Wrye Bash was installed in the right directory, but I reinstalled it nontheless. The OBSE checkbox is still not there. I don't think that's the problem though, because when I start the game, I do get the "OBSE Initialized" message. For some reason some plugins just don't seem to work like they're supposed to, not even when I load them after my bashed patch.

Cheers,

» Mon May 02, 2011 9:22 pm

I dont know if this helps..but i was having problems with wrye bash recognizing mods in the bash patch. I ended up reloading python. and everything started workin again. and i have never seen an obse check box

» Tue May 03, 2011 10:12 am

There is no checkbox for OBSE in Wrye Bash, so don't worry about that. I was concerned that you'd properly checked off every box in your Bashed Patch that was required to get certain mods functioning. For example, I'm running the MMM-Cobl.esp. It has bashed tags for Delev and Invent, and if these aren't properly checked under those two areas in the Bashed Patch, the mod isn't loaded.

Also, when it does load correctly, it has a + sign, rather than a checkmark, from the main Wrye Bash mods screen. Some mods that load correctly through the Bashed Patch will instead give you a "." (to simplify things greatly). If they're checked off instead of having that + or ., the mods they refer to are not functioning. The way to tell that they may require something other than the checkmark is the color of the mod's text in Wrye Bash. Look for light green, or purple.

For the sake of solving this, I'm not getting into the details of what any of the bashed patches and colors mean right here. I hope you don't mind.

» Tue May 03, 2011 8:10 am

I dont know if this helps..but i was having problems with wrye bash recognizing mods in the bash patch. I ended up reloading python. and everything started workin again. and i have never seen an obse check box

Reinstalled Wrye Python 0.3a, still no luck. Thanks for the suggestion though, hadn't though of that myself.

There is no checkbox for OBSE in Wrye Bash, so don't worry about that. I was concerned that you'd properly checked off every box in your Bashed Patch that was required to get certain mods functioning. For example, I'm running the MMM-Cobl.esp. It has bashed tags for Delev and Invent, and if these aren't properly checked under those two areas in the Bashed Patch, the mod isn't loaded.

Also, when it does load correctly, it has a + sign, rather than a checkmark, from the main Wrye Bash mods screen. Some mods that load correctly through the Bashed Patch will instead give you a "." (to simplify things greatly). If they're checked off instead of having that + or ., the mods they refer to are not functioning. The way to tell that they may require something other than the checkmark is the color of the mod's text in Wrye Bash. Look for light green, or purple.

For the sake of solving this, I'm not getting into the details of what any of the bashed patches and colors mean right here. I hope you don't mind.

Thanks for the effort, fable2 :tops:

I did indeed check for different colours, but the only thing that was slighty off was the grey background for SM Plugin Refurbish, but not for the other delayers. All the plugins that I've integrated into my bashed patch are green and have a + next to them, so that should be fine. There are also a few with a . , so those should be fine as well. At first I thought there might be something wrong with that, Et in Arkay Ego delayer is one of the integrated ones, which doesn't work, but SM Plugin Refurbish is not integrated, but also doesn't work. So, that's probably not it either.

:banghead: Cheers,

» Mon May 02, 2011 6:54 pm

The light gray isn't an issue. But are all the mods' bashed tags appropriately checked off when you choose to rebuild the Bashed Patch?

I don't see anybody having asked if you've used BOSS, either.

» Mon May 02, 2011 11:03 pm

The light gray isn't an issue. But are all the mods' bashed tags appropriately checked off when you choose to rebuild the Bashed Patch?

I don't see anybody having asked if you've used BOSS, either.

Yup, and yup. I've got all the tags checked off, except for a few because of FCOM. And I run BOSS before I rebuild my bashed patch everytime.

Cheers,

» Tue May 03, 2011 7:35 am

There is no checkbox for OBSE in Wrye Bash,...

I've got one, down in the status bar with the quick launch buttons. I can't remember if it's the green box or the pink one, but it's the one that isn't Auto-quit. http://wryemusings.com/Wrye%20Bash.html#LaunchButtons

» Mon May 02, 2011 11:10 pm

I've got one, down in the status bar with the quick launch buttons. I can't remember if it's the green box or the pink one, but it's the one that isn't Auto-quit. http://wryemusings.com/Wrye%20Bash.html#LaunchButtons

It's there for me as well, and probably for him as well now we know what you are talking about. But for the Steam version that is immaterial since obse is not launched that way. In the steam version it's launched automatically on launching the game as long as Enable Steam Community In-Game is ticked in Steam Settings. And as he has reported obse is working for him. This is a really strange issue and since I don't use the Bashable Delayers I'm not much help. Does anyone know a good Summon Aellis spell?

Artorius.

» Mon May 02, 2011 6:06 pm

Just a quick heads up, if I add the obse_launcher.exe to my oblivion folder, the checkbox does appear, but like Artorius said, it's not how obse for steam is launched.

Cheers,

» Tue May 03, 2011 4:23 am

Just a quick heads up, if I add the obse_launcher.exe to my oblivion folder, the checkbox does appear, but like Artorius said, it's not how obse for steam is launched.

Cheers,

I already had that in my oblivion folder since when installing some obse mods via OBMM, OBMM checks for that file and when it doesn't find it fails to install the mod even though you have installed the correct files for the steam version. It's possible that this could have something to do with it or with BAIN install as well (if you used that). I would suggest to try to install those mods again now since they might well rely on that file as well.

Artorius.

» Tue May 03, 2011 12:17 am

I already had that in my oblivion folder since when installing some obse mods via OBMM, OBMM checks for that file and when it doesn't find it fails to install the mod even though you have installed the correct files for the steam version. It's possible that this could have something to do with it or with BAIN install as well (if you used that). I would suggest to try to install those mods again now since they might well rely on that file as well.

Artorius.

I haven't used OBMM, but I did indeed use BAIN.

:unsure2: Cheers,