How come they never got included in the Eight/Nine Divines pantheon? I mean, aren't they Aedra too?

On Shezarr and the Eight, you should probably read http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/shezzardivines.shtml. It's about the Imperial Pantheon, and how Shezarr was downplayed to make the religion more palatable for everyone.

As far as Y'ffre and Xarxes goes, similar explanation. Not everyone worships the Eight/Nine or the same eight as everyone else. The Nine Divines are purely an Imperial construct. And then, there's different categories of Aedra too.

Also if you compare Kyne with Kynareth especially her portrayal in Knight of the Nine you'll see that Kynareth is far more nature orientated then Kyne. This can be attributed to Y'ffre.

The Eight Divines are Aedra, but being an Aedra doesn't make you one of the Divines...

Ah... the age old "Socrates is a man, so all men must be Socrates". One does not necessarily imply the other. Good answer.

Kyne would have grabbed that stupid bear by the ruff and sneezed it all the way to the Snow-Throat.

Of course, I imagine the character of Nature is considerably less sympathetic in a land where men struggle at the edge of freezing blizzards, than in a place where nature's bounty is considerably more... bountiful.

Titles stink. I want to be Socrates! Then I'd get respect I neither need or deserve! I sure do want it though.

Also, being a dirty trickster gets you in all sorts of trouble. I wouldn't want anything to do with Lorkhan... nope. Oh wait, or is that Shzzar? Oh yeah, depends on who you ask. svcks, doesn't it, titles, I mean.

So the Divines aren't really the spokes of the wheel as implied? Because if the spokes were the Earthbones then that doesn't account for Y'ffre, Xarxes, or Baan Dar.

The spokes are the gift limbs of the Aedra and all Aedra sacrificed parts of them self. How many there were is unknown but the number eight seems to come around most frequently. I would assume this is the number of survivors left over at the convention when the gods departed for Aetherius. This especially makes sense because the spokes connect Mundus to Aetherius.

Some Aedra gave them self up completely and became the Earthbones, but the same can be said about the parts that the other Aedra gave. The terminology is an out right mess.

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Comparing different metaphysical systems can be a pain in the ass because everybody remembers their divines differently. In some stories they get split into different characters that have distinct roles while in others they're bunched up and yet others simply ignore the existence of some because they don't like them.

The spokes do however seem to eqaul the eight planets and as the Eight planets are gods this does put a fixed number on the current gods.

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I'm rambling.

So the Nine Divines are not Earthbones?

If you take it to mean that they completely sacrificed them self, then no. Otherwise yes.

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And insert probably and presumably at the appropriate places.

So... there are the Aedra, the Earthbones and Lorkhan's Divine Spark, or did Lorkhan give himself to creation completely/partially as well? If the former is true, then Mankar Camoran really is dishonest.

His moons are up there, his spark is down here. I don't see anything he sacrificed except that in some stories it was his spark.

So Camoran is wrong.

Lies of the Aedra that could not remove Lorkhan completely from the minds of mortals.

Would you dare to guess?

What about Jhunal/Julianos? Stuhn/Stendarr? Kyne/Kynareth? Any other gods that were worshipped alongside Lorkhan/Shor by the Atmorans? Why would they be worshipped by those people if those gods downplayed their Champion god?

The want to downplay Lorkhan's role is mainly dependent on whether or not your religion of choice is ultimately Aldmeri in origin or not.

The Nords honor the once fateful lieutenants of Lorkhan, little did they know about his comming betrayal at the Adamantine Tower. Nor did they hear of it afterwards, merely thinking Lorkhan had been bested by the foreign gods.

It's a shame Mankar isn't around anymore. Its would have been an interesting discussion there in Paradise had the Champion of Cyrodiil been a scholar.

It svcks that Bethesda has not come out with a new TES game...

It svcks that Bethesda has not made it's lore more coherent

Yaknow... since I mentioned those three gods that the Nords worship alongside Shor... I'm seeing some parallels between that and the whole Tribunal/Nerevar goings-on.

Shor = Nerevar

Kyne = Almalexia (His "Widow"... and also a rather shall we say straightforward type)

Stuhn and Jhunal.... Vivec and Sotha?

And the Nords never knew they took part in Shor's unraveling. Just like the Dunmer and Nerevar.

...If the three other Nordic gods really did take part in ripping out Lorkhan's heart.

EDIT: Used the Cyro name for the god of logic and numbers when everyone else had the Nordic names... oops.

Vilnii:

This part isn't supposed to be coherent though. Mankars views are antagonistic to the established myth because they form the motivation to take over Nirn while the established myth holds this world as sacred. It isn't actually too different from the Aldmeri view that the world is a prison, though rather then escaping Mankar suggests to destroy the prison.

Jyg and the Amulet of Kings are another matter though.

MadCat221:

Nice. You can probebly pull a few more Aedra from the Tribunal Saints, they seem to represent similair value's as the Aedra.

Almalexia: Dibe-Mara-Kyne and Sixteen Daedric elements!