Shor may not actually be Lorkhan


This may be another one of those huge mistakes fans made over the years in thinking Alduin was Akatosh



Shor may be a totally different entity from Lorkhan


Lorkhan is supposed to be dead while Shor feasts perpetually with his faithful in Sovengarde

Lorkhan is dead?

Nah, Lorkhan is Shor, and Shor is partying in Sovngarde so obviously Lorkhan is too

@Proweler

Fair point...Lorkhan is not dead but disembodied.

However still no telling if the two are the same deity

And those faithfull of his in Sovngarde, aren't they dead?

You can provide the same argument for any piece of lore we have that hasn't been explored in game. The fact is with any piece of lore that hasn't been tackled, from the little things, right up to the identity of an Aedra, is at the mercy of how Bethesda needs it to fit into their story, or what Bethesda thinks is cool. We just have to hold our breaths and hope that what they give us back isn't too far removed from the understanding we have of that particular piece of lore in the first place.

Now that I think about it, is Shor even explained in-game? Obviously, all us CHIMsters are well aware, but is he ever mentioned beyond minced oaths and the reason why most of the einherjar of Sovngarde won't/can't help you but a boot up Aldy's scaly ass?

It's a good job 'Shezzar and the Divines' confirms Shezzar is Shor put through the propaganda machine, or that could be up for debate too.

Excellent point. But I'm convinced that Bethesda tries to keep the lore intact in as many cases as possible, because they know that people like us will identify any discrepancies.

It's not a huge mistake to think Alduin is Akatosh when several in-game books explicitly say "Alduin is the Nordic version of Akatosh." Even new books added in Skyrim say the same thing. And honestly, I think it's foolish to say "oh, Alduin is called the firstborn of Akatosh, they must be entirely different." As far as I'm concerned, it's still a rose by any other name. Alduin is Akatosh. Shor is Lorkhan.

We should go by the information we have at the present. It's senseless to sit around wondering if it's going to be contradicted later. We'll deal with that if and when it happens.

With Oblivion, the Shivering Isles and Skryim I've noticed two a certain trend in story telling.

The player will be given a fairly high level plot exposition which doesn't go into details and doesn't quite relate to anything other then the story. In some ways this is good because it keeps the story contained and rather clear. The new thing since SI has been that that an important and authoritative character would be providing the plot explanation.

Yet at a lower level there are subtle elements that suggest story as told isn't quite correct. Some are intentional. For example Mankar wearing the Amulet of Kings, Dyus inaccurate prediction of the Champions failure. Others come from lore that existed before, such Sheogorath being born at convention and Alduin existing before Akatosh.

I don't have a problem with hand waving away written texts and books, it's however harder to counter plot exposition from say Jygallag or Paarthanax. In some way you'd expect them to know what they were talking about, even though they're part of that system that provides high level plot exposition. Because the exposition is so uncompromisingly simple, it also creates the (hopefully mistaken) impression that the developers themselves don't know what they're talking about, or are intentionally ignoring it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not out to Beth Bash, it cant exactly be easy to bring the Alduin of the Aldudagga to life in game for example.

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1333693-double-sized-dragons/page__view__findpost__p__20076513
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I've always used the name Lorkhan when he's up in Aetherius before his death. I use Shor to describe him postmortem in Sovngarde and in the form of an avatar. It seems weird to call Lorkhan Shor before his death. Shor is the god of men, a title he seemed to receive after Nirn's construction. But they are the same entity.

Tsun's there too, and he died.

Gods don't operate the way that mortals do. They don't have to be one thing or the other; they can be more than one thing at the same time. "Aspect" is an important word which means more than "another culture's misunderstanding of the way things really are."

I'll add something concrete:

- http://www.imperial-library.info/content/five-songs-king-wulfharth

I'm familiar with the set scale, and speaking only from my experiences, it results in some bizarre physics. Not to mention that skyrim being a multi platform game with basically the same content on at launch on all three versions, Alduin would be difficult to pull of on consoles to put it mildly.



I tend to agree with this.

Can't any number of interpretations of Lorkhan simultaneously exist all at once; Shor, Shezarr, Sheor and Sep ?

Or is a god only limited to one form at any one time now?

They can but it's not as significant as different mythic interpretations of the Aedra.

Of course he is not. I have one pokemon named Shor and one named Lorkhan, want to try and explain that to me?

I don't know is one of them a Charizard and another a Blastoise?

ANd isn't it said that most of the books are written by UNRELIABLE sources... I rather listen to big P than a book.

Nope. Lorkhan is a http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Golem and Shor a http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Torterra_(Pok%C3%A9mon). Appropriate names are appropriate. Then again, one is in Kanto and the other in Sinnoh. Different planes and what not.

Before TES V, we had it pointed out to us that Alduin and Akatosh seemed very different -- more than just the difference between differing perspectives on the same being. I believe most of the speculation assumed that the intervention of the Marukhati Selectives somehow drove Akatosh mad, so that he had a split personality: the benevolent Akatosh and the malevolent Alduin.

I don't think we've had the same suggestion about Lorkhan and Shor. They don't seem to correspond to differing behaviors.