Of course I would, after all, no game developer has ever used placeholders what-so-ever in the history of game development, especially when it comes to something as simple as short/long swords which are essentially the same thing as far as making them goes. By the way, making individual weapons is pretty simple in the scope of all things. As far as using generic like weapons in the demo, unless there were some important unique type of weapons that affected how you played and was not some hidden weapon meant to be kept as a secret then there's no reason to show off the differences between short and long swords. For example, why would you show off each type of weapon of the different materials, e.g. Daedra Battle Axe, Glass Battle Axe, Iron Battle Axe, it would be redundant as far as a demo goes, you want to highlight the variety and how they actually look different and act different gameplay-wise. As far as short/long swords go, they do have their differences but don't vary too much to show off the two like their major features.

Also, short swords have already been shown in the various gameplay videos, like when the character is dual-wielding.

Such a marginal feat would most likely not cause much of an issue to a real life trained person simply because the weapons so closely mirror each other.



Oh... well then, I guess that must be because the two are polar opposites.

Actually, they are quite different, A short sword was used by footsoldiers as it was easy to quickly train them, you hold a massive shield and jab at the other guy, a longsword takes more practice and is used for defence and offence

Oh. heh... sorry
So many people serious about things like this, can never be fully sure when or not their using sarcasm.

Exactly why forum sarcasm should not be attempted.

The fact that the post in question could be taken seriously is a testament to the depths this forum and fanbase have sunk to. :sadvaultboy:

Understood, however, my main point was even though they may differ in practical use that isn't to say that they can't be used in similiar fashion.

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"Really? Get some perspective. In the scheme of things, they really aren't a big deal."


Do you understand the words you type?

Arken im not calling you ignorant but as this is the first time ive seen your posts, its very possible that you could have been an ignorant. There are a lot of ignorant people in the world who would not think before they post.

But this is really a discussion for...no threads, so I think it best we just forget.

And with the difference between long blade and shortblade, id look at the difference between the dark age knights and the roman empire. But specifically, a knife would fall under shorblade, and a knife is COMPLETELY different than a long blade.

lolwut

Always a good question.

I didn't understand what you said

I don't think I understand your intention here. Should I be angry at this? :ahhh:

Exactly, I don't see why so many people have to complain about something not being shown in the demo. Unless they stated that something was removed and they weren't going to reconsider, than expect all features from previous TES games to be as is, if not already mentioned that they were improved, or altered. After all, they announced early on, like when they were releasing actual info about the game, the various things that were removed like attributes, various skills, etc. For something like a weapon type, I'd expect it to stay in until stated otherwise, a small demo that doesn't show off every detail isn't going to get me worried.

Good

I know wikianswers isn't exactly the best source, but this guy gives a good difference explanation. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081222144526AAF7kV8

EDIT: I'll explain what I meant. You said something like "Its sad that people on this forum would be dumb enough to not know this was sarcasm" The only reason one would not know is if they thought you were an idiot and being serious. I was saying that since I don't know you very well, maybye you were an idiot and being serious. But it appears you are not. So no you should not be angry.

Not at the short sword thing, I got that

But anyway, I think the major difference is that a longsword can be used for offence and defence, like dueling, (one on one combat or smaller scale battles) whereas a short sword is more for jabbing at the opponent from behind a massive sheild, in other words, long swords=medieval europe, short swords=Roman era europe

Do we know that these properties have been removed from swords? Do we know that some swords won't be shorter than others? Do we know that all swords will have the same swing speed?

Just because there's no "short" or "long" as part of the item name doesn't mean the relavent properties were removed. (though even if they were removed, it's no big loss to me; we still have daggers to fill the short-blade role)

Thats not the point. It might still be different ingame if you are swinging a short blade vs a long blade. Creating a new skill would have no affect on gameplay in that regard. However, just because you are used to hacking a sword slow and far away does not mean you would be skilled to do it up close. Not to mention the tactics are completely different. The way you swing the sword is different IRL, so a person IRL would weild a short sword the same way they would a long sword, then that would have consequences.

The most realistic approach is to give (for example)1 point of long blade everytime you get two points of short blade or vise versa. Knowing one would help the other and make it easier to learn, but would not be the same as the other. However there is a certain point that this passes in which it just makes the game confusing.

Your "end-game" choices will still be limited. Before you could choose from a daedric dagger that's very short and fast, a daedric longsword that's heavy, slow and long, and a daedric shortsword that's between the two. Now if your character wants to stay competitive with his damage, he will only have two one-handed blade options. Unless Smithing allows a player to alter the length and weight of a weapon (which would be incredibly awesome and more than make up for the loss of a name distinction).

FO3, why argue for a Shortsword skill? It's gone, it's been gone. The loss of the weapons as a whole is more drastic and detrimental. No good will come of discussing a Shortsword skill when the weapons themselves might be gone.

I think you're confusing Elder Scrolls with Real Life. You don't perform many, if any at all, special sword techniques in game, so having a different skill would be redundant as all you're doing is swinging your sword, be it long or short. Also, a skilled handgun marksman is going to have their marksman skills transferred over to an assault rifle even though they're very different, sure they may not be as good with the assault rifle, but they're not going to be a complete "noob" with one. Same goes for all weapons of similar types. Which is why the split between one-handed and two-handed weapons makes sense. I'm not disagreeing with you on the in-game portion, but I am with the IRL portion.

Obviously there is only going to be one skill per weapon type in the game, otherwise you would have to play for ever to use each weapon type effectively

The sarcasm was actually easily interpreted, despite the fact that these are forums with no facial expressions, voice, or knowledge of your personality. Of course, I'm sarcastic quite often so that might add to my ease of recognizing fellow sarcastic people..

I dont see why they wouldnt have short swords; since in our own history they were extremely important weapons (rome conquered the world with them). Also judging by the world of tamriel they are important as well.

nvm read above post, but its not like someone can tell your being sarcastic on text

I call http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe%27s_Law here.