Has anyone noticed that there are no shotguns affected by gunslinger you would think a double barrel sawn off would fit the bill it annoys me to no end

But its a sawn off so it started much larger as a rifle and has been made smaller. Should pistols we add stocks/long barrels to now no longer be affected by Gunslinger?

I think it makes far more sense to include shotguns with Rifleman than it would to include them with Gunslinger. It's still a shotgun, even if you saw the barrel off.

Add a stock to a laser/plasma pistol and see what happens

Are you saying shotguns aren't considered handguns and then saying they should be tied into a handguns perk? The title confuses me haha.

I thin they should stay the same because no shotgun = a handgun ever. Too much recoil. I don't think firing a sawn off one handed would work well either unfortunately.

If you add a rifle stock to a pistol ( like the .38 and laser ones ) it changes to rifle, doesn't it? I thought it did...

It is a long arm not a sidearm...

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Anyways, thus Rifleman...

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Chopping one off does not change that.

There should have been a Pipe Shotgun we could mod into a pistol, but no, the existing shotguns shouldn't be pistols by any means. Try a Plasma or Laser Scattergun Pistol?

I will add they did make revolver type handguns that shoot shell. But no this is a bad idea lol, unless they change the .44 to shoot shells. And even then....

LOL, nobody who's actually shot a 12 ga would suggest this. Without exaggeration, I think it would break your wrist - if you could hold onto it at all. Many is the time I've come home with a black-and-blue right shoulder from a 12 ga. (Assuming we're talking about shells that would be effective on people, that is.)

It would be nice to have a shotgun pistol option still a sawn off really screams gunslinger to me

The sawn-off is still held like a rifle, therefore, it is still affected by the Rifleman perk.

Right. The difference boils down to the handle. Is it single-handed and perpendicular (roughly) to the bore axis? Pistol. If it's roughly parallel to the bore axis and meant to be tucked into the shoulder - long gun/rifle.

I have, but I have Lvl 4 in Rifleman and Gunslinger so makes no difference to me which category they land in - death still comes out the end for whomever I point it at

Weeeeeeeell. Not necessarily.

http://www.alloutdoor.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/break-open-shotgun-pistola.gif

I can tell by the brass height on that shell that it's a bird load that wouldn't be particularly lethal to a person. Hurt a lot, sure, but remember that guy dike Cheney shot? About an inch of penetration if you're close and not wearing heavy coat to stop most of the pellets.

Shoot a high-brass 00 Buckshot in that and get back to me.

Have you ever actually shot a shotgun? Next.

Well I have fired shortened shotguns and long shotguns. When the barrel is long there tends to be a lot more kick then when firing from a shorter one when firing the same ammo. I have fired a shortened shotgun 1 handed no problem. The Taurus judge comes in a .410 so there is a shotgun handgun. As well as there are double barrel handguns that fire 2 3/4 12 gauge rounds. So yes shotgun pistols do exist.

If I could get a link to work I would post a picture of the said double barrel 12 gauge pistol.

I would expect he would be typing with one hand.

Shotguns are NOT one-handed weapons...... Well, maybe .410, and if you are really billy, maybe 20 gauge.... anything meaner than that, and you better have steel wrist braces, if you want to fire more than one shot.

If I can fire a sawed off shotgun one handed sideways above my head while riding the back of a motorcycle in gta then clearly the recoil isn't that bad.

Like it matters. There are zero specialization perks for shotties, and perks are just to level now, so it hardly matters if they're regulated by the gunslinger or rifleman perks. Technically neither is applicable, but shotguns are two handed weapons, so Bethesda lumped them there.

It is what it is, and weapons are now pooled. No matter how dopey I think it is, it really doesn't matter in the big picture since most players are probably (or at least, they easily can) going to max rifleman, gunslinger AND commando long before you get to endgame anyway.

But, on topic, and simply stated, shotguns as presented in game, aren't handguns.

I invite you to try that in real life. Make sure your life insurance is paid up though.

If you want to be more technical about it, that is true.


I was just speaking from an actual gameplay stand point. The animations for holding the sawn-off do not change from holding it with two hands like it was still a normal double barrel shotgun. So it remains to be affected by the Rifleman perk.


Though it's not like holding it in one hand would bother me. You watch Road Warrior enough that you're less concerned about how realistic it is and more so how cool it is. Same applies for a video game like Fallout that aren't here to capture the most realistic experience, but to entertain.


I think something could have been done to make the sawn-off held with one hand similar to converting a laser rifle into a pistol. Though I suppose they didn't take that route. Maybe because they did take a realistic approach, who knows. The sawn-off was one handed in FO3 after all. Regardless, don't care too much about how it's held. It is after all, a video game.

I know you're joking (at least I hope so ), but the amount of force isn't that huge - certainly not enough to overcome the gyroscopic force holding a motorcycle up. It's where that force is concentrated and the direction of the force vector. Long guns push the force into your shoulder in a straight line so your whole body absorbs it. Pistols put all the force on the wrist and push up and back. I was not joking at all when I mentioned a black-and-blue shoulder just from 2 or 3 shots of Foster slugs while sighting in a shotgun for deer season, and 00 Buck is just as strong.

That said, GonZo626 does have a point about a very short barrel "wasting" the potential power out in front, thus reducing recoil. Bangsticks for gators or sharks essentially have no barrel at all and don't recoil much because the explosion isn't contained for long, but they're used by jabbing them into the target. So I guess it would be possible to make a 12ga pistol, but it wouldn't be a very effective weapon with a barrel that short.

Bottom line is that if it were an effective weapon, we would have it in real life. Lasers, Plasma, and Gamma weapons can use Science! but ballistics is just normal science - and a 150 year-old one at that.

BTW, there ARE pistol grips sold for shotguns, but they are ALWAYS fired with a support hand on the forend. Firing it with the support hand hurts the wrist, but trying to fire it without the support hand is almost certain to lead to a sprained wrist, even in a 5 or 6 pound shotgun. Try it with a 2 pound, purpose-made pistol like we're discussing and my original comment about a broken wrist comes into play.

All in all, though, this is a game where we can carry around a minigun, so all bets are off. Given Power Armor, a shotgun pistol becomes much more feasible, too.

I was indeed joking. Firing a pump action weapon one handed just looks awkward. Then again recoil didn't hurt the guys with wrist mounted shotgun fist weapons.

Has nothing to do with recoil, there are handguns that kick more than shotguns (Desert Eagle, 44 Magnum, etc.). A shotgun does not have the inner action or operating system of a handgun, you can chop off the barrel and saw off the stock and make it as tiny as you want but it still isn't a handgun at the end of the day.