Should a 16yr old be allowed to have HIS OWN computer in his

Post » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:48 pm

Get your parents online, the internet needs to give them a lesson.
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Neil
 
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when I have kids I'll be parent first and friend second.

What exactly do you think your kid would be doing that is so bad that you need to spy on their browsing history? As stated earlier spying like this is just going to create a rift which is not conducive with you being able to be an effective parent. Trust is important to that otherwise they won't come to you with issues due to how untrusting you are.
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Greg Swan
 
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What exactly do you think your kid would be doing that is so bad that you need to spy on their browsing history? As stated earlier spying like this is just going to create a rift which is not conducive with you being able to be an effective parent. Trust is important to that otherwise they won't come to you with issues due to how untrusting you are.

porm? They might, they might not. I just want to make sure they don't.

Solid_Moose did I ever say that parents aren't supposed to trust you? No. I was replying to the "I hate you's" comment by DEFRON
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Sophie Payne
 
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Post » Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:55 pm

It really depends on the kid. I had a PC in my room since I was about 14, and I'd like to think I turned out all right.

On the other hand, I'd also like to think I was a rather mature and smart 14 year old, so perhaps most people wouldn't benefit from it.

Personally, my views on parenting a teenager is that the parents make sure the kid is getting what needs to be done done. Good grades, staying out of questionable activities, and generally prepared the kid to go out to college because yeah, the parents are not going to be around to buy the toilet paper forever.

Like everything else in life, time management and responsibility can't be learned just by watching. You gotta practice it some, and I think kids would be better served by getting that practice in while they still have their parents to fall back on.
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Julie Ann
 
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Post » Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:01 am

In my own case, when I was 14, my parents installed a parental firefox add-on. I disabled it using safe mode in one day. They found out through a keylogger they had on my computer(which I removed, ofc), and they proceeded to install a near-impossible to break secure control. Can't remember what it was called, but I struggled with it using proxies for a few months, and then I figured out how to remove it by deleting from the registry. Since then I've had no trouble.

The moral of the story is not to try.

Reminds me of the time my Mum put a boot password on the family PC, which lived in the dining room. I read all sorts of things when I'm bored, like motherboard manuals...so, it took me all of 5 minutes to bypass that as I'd previously read about it. This was back on Win 95 or 98.
She got most of her 'advice' from her work's tech support, but as I'm also qualified to work in that area it was a complete waste of time.

When I was 16 I had my PC in my room. (To this day, still do). I bought it myself. It was never an issue of removing it. I've had all sorts of consoles and PC's since I was about 5. The only time a bit of an issue came up was when we got the internet. I had the phone cord running from my room to the lounge room and it was back in the day of no broadband and splitters. You go online and no one can ring in or out. I got in trouble a few times for 'tying up' the phone lines. It was expensive back then, too. Mobile phones weren't as common, plus expensive as well.

In this day and age if I had a 16 year old I'd let them. I had one when I was that age (and before that). It'd be fine by me :)
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Post » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:45 pm

porm? They might, they might not. I just want to make sure they don't.

:whisper: If they want to, they are going to eventually come across it some way :whisper:

http://xkcd.com/751/

If you want to stop them, you will need to set up your router to block it. Anything short of that is too easy to circumvent and only cause trust issues.

Solid_Moose did I ever say that parents aren't supposed to trust you? No. I was replying to the "I hate you's" comment by DEFRON

So you think spying on your kids behind their backs shattering the trust, and making them say they hate you is going to make them trust you? :huh:
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Post » Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:49 pm

The only real reason they will give me is because they have to ask me to help. That I don't actively seek out issues in the house and fix them myself. And they think I will stay up all night on it, but they don't realize I can already do that with my Nexus One or iPod Touch.


Vague half-answers. Parents (unless they're psychotic) don't arbitrarily pull privileges unless something specific happened. I think a 16 year old should be able to have a PC in their room if they're responsible enough to use it properly. Same with staying out until a certain hour and driving the family car (if they have a license by then - I did). I can't say about your situation because I'm almost sure we aren't getting the full story at to why they took it from you.
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Post » Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:19 am

So you think spying on your kids behind their backs shattering the trust, and making them say they hate you is going to make them trust you? :huh:

Huh? No what I'm saying is if they start with the "I hate you's" It don't matter, because I'm a parent first and foremost, and friend second.
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Post » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:37 am

Huh? No what I'm saying is if they start with the "I hate you's" It don't matter, because I'm a parent first and foremost, and friend second.


Yeah... only problem with this is basically you are shattering any trust your kids have for you, and therefore the "I hate you" starts.

Bolded the important part you apparently missed there. Snooping behind someone's back is the biggest trust-shatterer there is.
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Post » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:49 pm

Vague half-answers. Parents (unless they're psychotic) don't arbitrarily pull privileges unless something specific happened. I think a 16 year old should be able to have a PC in their room if they're responsible enough to use it properly. Same with staying out until a certain hour and driving the family car (if they have a license by then - I did). I can't comment on your situation because I'm almost sure we aren't getting the full story at to why they took it from you.


They never took it from me, we moved and they decided to set it up upstairs. They wouldn't let me keep it in my room because we moved. It had nothing to do with me losing a privilege.
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Post » Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:37 am

You sound like the perfect kid. Maybe your parents just wanted to be more protective since you're a teen?
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Post » Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:45 pm

Bolded the important part you apparently missed there. Snooping behind someone's back is the biggest trust-shatterer there is.

What it boils down to is I'll try to keep my kids from making the mistakes I did when I was 14.
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Post » Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:37 pm

If it was my child I would probably give him a pat on the back, but then 2 months of grounding for failing to cover their tracks. Telling them that a failure to spoof the surveillance is as bad as setting it off in the first place as removal is just as obvious.

Of course I wouldn't bother spying on my kid in a sinister way to begin with.

You know, I could probably see you doing it anyway. As a game.

"Okay, one point for breaking the security, two for bypassing it, three for telling me what I've been doing after your bedtime. Five points and we get ice cream!"
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Valerie Marie
 
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Post » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:57 pm

What it boils down to is I'll try to keep my kids from making the mistakes I did when I was 14.

You can't keep kids from making mistakes, if your kids don't trust you when they make a big mistake, they aren't going to come and talk to you about it.
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Sara Johanna Scenariste
 
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Post » Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:09 pm

I've never had my computer in my own room. Scratch that. I did move it into my room the last three or so years I lived at home but that was because the room it was in was so insanely hot. (80% Sun Cover and triple issue glass(!!!)

Edit: After that my mother asked why it was so quiet up there. I said I moved the computer and know she has more room for her waving stuff in there. She was semi-happy.
Edit #2: Though I didn't get internet by myself until I moved
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Post » Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:56 pm

I'd tell my bastard offspring that it'll be a warm day in this country before they get any computers of their own, I'm not made out of money! They want a computer? They better work for the money at the lumber yards, then! :) Naw. Still, I'm getting a feeling there's more to this than is revealed in the OP, more facts unknown. Still, as for computers of your own, I prolly got mine at eighteen or nineteen, but that was mostly due to the fact that I didn't have dineros to build one, and my first computer was dubbed 'Old Faithful' since it could pretty much run only a select number of games and had roughly 2 gigabytes of hard drive space, if memory serves. Nothing like my baby 'Remorse', which is purring softly and loudly to my right this moment. Invested a rough four hundred to the thing, well worth the money.
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Andrea P
 
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Post » Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:01 pm

You can't keep kids from making mistakes, if your kids don't trust you when they make a big mistake, they aren't going to come and talk to you about it.

This is true, happened to me as a kid.
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Stephanie Nieves
 
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Post » Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:30 am

Alright, lets get this over with. Get your parents to join this forum and we will give them a good talking to.
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Samantha Mitchell
 
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Post » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:44 am

I've had my own computer in my room since I was like 11 years old....
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NIloufar Emporio
 
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Post » Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:49 pm

Alright, lets get this over with. Get your parents to join this forum and we will give them a good talking to.


I <3 you guys more then my fictitious brother.
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Brandon Bernardi
 
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Post » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:29 am

What it boils down to is I'll try to keep my kids from making the mistakes I did when I was 14.

its not a good idea to keep them from making mistakes, making mistakes is the best way to learn as long as no one gets injured too badly

but ummm, if you try to have a civil discussion with your parents about having the computer in your room and they still aren't okay with that, but you let them know that you accept their decision, they may just see that you've matured some and may decide to let the computer go back in your room eventually
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Post » Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:05 am

its not a good idea to keep them from making mistakes, making mistakes is the best way to learn as long as no one gets injured too badly


Also, if they don't make the mistakes themselves how can they prevent their kids from making them? Then the mistakes just skip a generation but don't actually stop, right?
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Post » Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:44 am

1. Install AdBlock
2. Block FarmVille
3. Seek shelter and ride out the [censored]storm
4.?????
5. Profit!
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Ernesto Salinas
 
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Post » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:47 pm

He can have it in there.

I mean, he's gonna figure out a way to look at porm anyways. :P
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Camden Unglesbee
 
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Post » Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:19 am

I had my own computer since I started my first grade. Which was 13-14 years ago.
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