Usually, but to be fair EVERYONE besides the most hardcoe roleplayers used that heal spell that you start out with at some point.

It's called the console.

But I see no reason this would be a problem. Since I like a bit of challenge I would never use the insta-kill anything spell. Just because you don't have the self control to not use restoration spells doesn't mean the rest of us should be punished.

My Spellsword character in Oblivion would beg to differ.

I think you should only get access to the heal spell ... wait, you can't 'pick' restoration. I think every character should have a clean slate. We don't know about character creation, but maybe we pick stealth, magic, and melee again. If you choose magic, then you would get some spells but if you choose melee, maybe you get special perks.

Thats a great idea!
Now that we cant pick major and minor skills anymore it would be great if we could pick a specialisation.
Thief, mage or warrior. The specialisation you choose would give your starter character some advantages related to it.
Starter spells and maybe more magicka reserve for a mage. .More health for a warrior and maybe a perk for better ability with a weapon. More stamina for a rogue and a perk that improves sneaking or maybe breaks lockpicks less.

I like it.

Personaly. Yes in the Restoration Magic, the heal spell should not be the first spell you have. Second, There should be cool to have Spell books, So you can delete Spells from your spells books when you equip Spells in your hands. and then if you want add them back for for any reason. I hate buying unesesary spells because all the space they used.

Back on topic Lets say your satart your game.

And you have 1 sword, 1 shild, light amor, Heavy armor. and one spell form each shool.
without roleplaying in mind.
If you are low on health you will use a healing spell if you have one.
At the start is much easier to use a spell than using a pot with alchemy.

In the new Skyrim Sistem one will level up with the skills you use, and for me thats awesome.

but i hope the game, does provide options for healing and health regenerations for warrior that dont use the restoration spells.

For example a perk in the Warrior "Skills", could be regeneting health, like out of combat health regen or geting much more heath from pots. stuff like that.

Also, Pots and Healing Spells should only give heals per second, so you canot spam them.
for added dificulty.

I agree with the OP also. I always wished there was some kind of alternative to having to spam a low level heal everywhere I went to keep up my health. I felt like it cheapened magic, cheapened the immersion, and cheapened the game. I would really like to see some alternative to having to spam a low level heal. If they aren't going to implement healing alternatives (bandages, sutures, ect) then at least make the beginner healing spell take a a large amount of mana, so you don't end up spamming a low level heal repeatedly.

The biggest issue is the fact that magic is much more accessible than it was in previous games. Healing potions usually drop off random enemies you kill whereas magic spells are accessible to any character right off the bat.

This is easy. We a;lready know from what todd said that each race gets racial SKILL bonuses. As long ans the starting skill is low enough and your race doesnt have restoration I would say they shouldnt give you the basic heal spell.

HOWEVER right near the start of the game there should be a way to gain basic spells and equipment... stuff weaker then the racial spells or the spells you get automatiucaly if say your starting skill is 10 or 15...

In Morrowind a lot of my money early in the game was used to buy healing potions. People complain taking away the spell will make it harder, but what is the fun in a game without any challenge.

Just make it so that if there is a hardcoe mode your character only gets a healing spell if you are a mage type player (however, since there are no longer classes, I wonder how they can do this unless having optional starting perks like in FO:NV). Similar for the fireball.

Starting with that stuff certainly takes away from the arcane feel of magic, which Todd Howard said he wanted to bring back.

Well, Morrowind kind of did this and did not gimp thieves and mages from the start. You could buy spells in Seyda Neen before you encountered your first mudcrab. I don't see why you have to actually start with any spells. It was important to do it this way in OB because of how the tutorial worked. A much different approach than MW. All we know is we are shipped to Skyrim. Can't remember if it is to be executed or after we escape execution. But at some point, depending on how the game starts you just might be able to get spells, if you want them, early enough on that it gimps no one. What if: You are heading to the execution, you are rescued and smuggled onto a boat or carraige and shipped off to Skyrim. Maybe you meet someone on the trip that can teach you spells. Or once you get into Skyrim, but before you are let go to go your own way, you have the option to learn spells. It can be done where you do not start with spells but can learn them before your very first fight if you want them. Just takes a little creativity with the start of the game, which we don't know how it will work yet.



Is it really true that every peasant can cast spells? Or is it that every peasant has the opportunity to learn to cast spells given time, money, etc... Never looked into the CS to see (never used the CS for anything really). I wonder why sometimes I would fight someone in OB and they never healed themselves or used any spell at all.

What this guy said.



But can they actually use the thing effectivly, if at all?

Pardon?


Following your line of reasoning, everybody should start with every non-passive spell and skill.
To which, I would say what's the point, aren't we supposed to work for these things?

Oh no, sorry - that's my lack of self-control, obviously.

You should start out with nothing.

But during the tutorial/escape/talking with Esbern you should find a beginner equipment for every skill, like the first spell in every spell-school, a rusty sword/mace/two-hander, an old leather armor or rusty iron armor.
That way you can improve your chosen skills right from the beginning.

Or even better, you get a couple of spending money and you can buy your beginner equipment from the local store.

If you don't want to use one of them, don't pick them up.

Does it not seem a little bit stupid that for some weird reason you pick up a weak accessible spell from every magic-school right from the outset?


I mean I understand your motivation, it allows you to train what you want and not be stuck training stuff you're later going to scrap. But at the same time, it will feel really contrived if this happens.

Never played Arena, but
Daggerfall : specially chosen by the Emperor for a vital mission.
Morrowind : the Nerevarine.
Oblivion : "It's you, the one from my dreams."
Skyrim : last of the Dragonborn.
Why is it a problem that the above people have learned, or were born with, the ability to cast a very weak healing spell, available to be taught anywhere for a modest fee, and that uses loads of your magicka if you choose a fighter or stealth path.
Think about it, no matter your trade, if you lived in a world where you could buy a spell to heal damage to your body, could anyone honestly claim they would say " no, don't want it I am a pure warrior,"

If powerful potions and scrolls were more plentiful, then the warrior would rely on the loot (s)he finds.

Don't know about Daggerfall, but if you weren't a mage in morrowind you had no spells whatsoever I think.
And the Average Joe Shmoe peasant doesn't know any spells anyways, why should we?
80% of NPCs don't know magic.

In Skyrim you're starting out without any trade so I don't think you should be starting out with any spells. You're a clean slate. If you need to be healed there are other ways like potions, or rest, or maybe there could be other ways to treat yourself. I started out many times in Morrowind with no healing spell and it wasn't a problem, although there was that weak healing ring you could get in the beginning. Getting healed without your own spell is easy enough.

I only read the first post so not sure if this option came up. There should be various "hardcoe" options. It would be an interesting way to include in some manner the class system and fit it in with the new design. But it would be up to the player to choose to do so...

- for warrior, magicka turned off. Character cannot cast spells in any way.
- for mage, stunted warrior, all warrior skills have half the impact of the skill level showing

There could be a dozen or more "hardcoe" options like this.

Scrolls are the answer.

New players start the game with a few spell scrolls in inventory in addition to the "rusty sword and stinky tunic" that all fledgling adventurers start with. A simple healing spell, a simple destruction spell, a simple illusion spell, and a simple alteration spell. Those who wish to use magic can memorize the spell scrolls, think of it as transcribing them into your spell book. From there they can just cast the spells whenever they choose if they have enough magicka like everyone's used to. Those who don't want to use magic can recite the scroll (one time use like normal) if needed or sell it. Removing spells should also be an option, sort of like tearing pages out of your spell book.

Theres no such thing as a pure anything. If a "pure" warrior injures himself and has no potions, he's going to use any magic that he knows to heal himself.

Why would this "pure" warrior know these spells to begin with?

Spells, in TES, are done with chanting and finger-wiggling. Why take the time to learn all that when you can simply bash things with heavy stuff?

Make the spell trainable and sell bandages in shops, cheaper than healing pots but worse.

no way cuz I want to make a big nord with two axes but I want to be able to heal myself to. if you don't like using magic spells you can just not do it.