what they could do is take the best PC mods and make them free DLC on xbox/ps3

The OP didn't ask to specify, but alright.

I say "No" to "mods on consoles", because PC doesn't get any content (Games, DLC and so forth) ported on request from consoles even when asked politely. That's why I don't want the platform of my choice losing one of it's defining exclusive features.

Because...?

It's difficult, obviously. Possible? From what I understand, yes.

Bottom line: if it can be done, it ought to be done. Whether mods should be on consoles is not up for debate; arguing whether they should or should not be on consoles is about as intelligent as arguing whether fast travel, vampirism or DLC should be in the game: if you don't want it, don't use it. I'm sure there are those (like occasionally myself) who would play a game even on PC and prefer it vanilla, however few in number they are (I even consider using the tilde key cheating...on most occasions :toughninja: ). If it is possible, then yes, all gamers should be given the same game with the same opportunity; there should be no favoritism, especially since 90% of the playerbase is on consoles, according to http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/109378-Bethesda-Wants-Skyrim-Mods-on-Consoles. Moreover, it's a mechanically simple matter in all things but security (that is, the legality of information sharing and the possibility of destroying your whole console if these sensitive things are done incorrectly). Again, http://www.ausgamers.com/features/read/3076322, these things could be done on consoles with games as old as Morrowind, and therefore even the previous console generation.

I think Beth ought to do their best to bring mods to consoles :celebration: It will only strengthen their community and the love of their fans.

It's not a question of should. Bethesda WANT mods on consoles. The problem lies with M$ and Sony agreeing to it and that is why we wont see mods on consoles in the near future if ever.

No thanks. I don't want mods on the console. I like playing the game with official updates only. I feel fake when I use mods though it can fix and make things fun. I think of mods like plastic surgery or botox. You may think it makes you better, but it makes you fake. That's just what I think though.

Wasn't Halo 3 and Halo: Reach restricted to Xbox? Wasn't MGS series restricted to PS3? Double standards much? You want us to share while not giving anything in return. Nope.

Last I checked, Bethesda didn't shirk PC players off of any DLC. In fact, Morrowind was not even available on a SONY system, and Oblivion had only the Shivering Isles and Knights of the Nine DLC available on PS3; that system lacked all of the official plug-ins that the 360 and PC got. When I had to make the move from my 360 to PS3 (mine RROD'd :sadvaultboy: ), I was pretty bummed that I'd have no access to the Fighter's Stronghold or Mehrune's beautiful razor.

Edit: Also, PC wouldn't be "losing" anything if mods came to consoles. Someone doesn't know how to share :disguise:

Those are exclusive games, and not at all examples of multiplatform games having features restricted to the smallest playerbase :facepalm:

Edit: Also, I think sharing is about caring, not about getting something in return to make up for what you lost in order to keep you on top :foodndrink:

As far as I know bethesda didn't do that (Let's omit favouring outdated hardware of consoles now) but others did. If Bethesda adds mods to consoles - it would create an exploitable precedent that other developers might use, which in turn will hurt PC gaming even further.


Those are still restrictions.

I would also want to see some solid numbers please. Including both retail and digital methods of purchase please. Steam and the like.

Sharing is caring, sure. But after all this bias towards my platform of choice I kind of don't feel like sharing, caring and being nice.

to tell you the truth it is if bethesda wants mods on consoles but MS is less likely to allow it than SONY... just look at UT3 not a verry successful game but it proved that mods can be done on consoles....

Sony are the ones to make it happen then if they allow. M$ should follow suit after then or lose out big time but still can't see it happening on a large scale at least until next gens have been out for a good few years.

The idea of modding has to appeal to the majority of console players first also before it were to take off else it would be dead in the water before its began.

As far as I know bethesda didn't do that (Let's omit favouring outdated hardware of consoles now) but others did. If Bethesda adds mods to consoles - it would create an exploitable precedent that other developers might use, which in turn will hurt PC gaming even further.


Those are still restrictions.

I would also want to see some solid numbers please. Including both retail and digital methods of purchase please. Steam and the like.

Sharing is caring, sure. But after all this bias towards my platform of choice I kind of don't feel like sharing, caring and being nice.

how exactly would that hurt PC gaming the fact is PC gamers know that they can make games run better due to having greater hardware resources that can be upgraded every 3-6 months if you want a top of the line system a console if fixed hardware so they can only reach a certain plateau of Graphics/loadable Resources/AI/ECT. the fact that the game was designed to run on consoles tells us that it would be possible to mod it, once people start modding on there console and then see what is possible but hit the plateaus of what can be achived if they wish to experience a more advanced modding experience then they would have to get a PC...

seems to me like mods on consoles would be a good incentive for people to move to PC gaming while giving console owners an less than equal opportunity to do something that PC owners take for granted....

You cant create mods on garbage console systems.

Quit asking this stuipd question, its been answered 100 times already.

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Bethesda adding mods to consoles -> PC gaming is "hurt" (somehow[?]) is a slippery slope, which is a logical fallacy. I don't find a realistic or sensible reason as to how that could happen.

And find the numbers yourself if you'd like; I already quoted Howard as saying that 90% of the playerbase is on console, complete with link.

Edit: As for your "restrictions," those are irrelevant. Again, you've provided no examples of your claim, and instead made examples of the existence of platform-exclusive games.

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I thought the biggest issue here was the script extender?

Nah, I don't think it'll die out. Imagine the advertising--telling customers that they could customize their gaming experience? All the console gamers out there who may be ignorant of mods will want to jump aboard; look at Little Big Planet's success :vaultboy: Also, I agree; MS, I think, is least likely to want that...and they'll only be hurting themselves if they deny players mods.

My sympathies are with the Xbox community if they end up being the only ones who can't mod :sadvaultboy:

You cant create mods on garbage console systems.

Quit asking this stuipd question, its been answered 100 times already.

AusGamers: You always support the mod community as well and I know that this is going to have mod tools out of the box.

Todd: For download, not in the box.

AusGamers: Right okay, yeah.

Todd: In case people look in their box and they’re like “what?”.

AusGamers: Obviously the PC community really enjoys that a lot, but have you thought about giving that level of access to the consoles?

Todd: I have yeah. I think our PC mod community is one of the things that is great about our games. We’ve always supported it and we want to continue to do it. But a lot of our audience is on the consoles so they’re not experiencing that. So we have talked to Microsoft and Sony; “how do we do this?”.

The good news is that those things have started to happen with games like Forza 3 and sharing all your car stuff or Rock Band’s a really good example, where you can make your own tracks where you’re authoring them somewhere else then you’re uploading them to the 360.

There are still a lot of issues to solve with... because these aren’t instances like a song or a car you know, you could download a mod that destroys your game and we can’t have that. So we’re still... we have not solved -- even on paper yet -- how to handle security; how do we handle not messing up your saved games and things like that.

So it’s not going to be solved for the game’s release, but it’s something that we’re going to continue to look at because we think that it’s an awesome part of the game that the majority of our audience isn’t seeing.

AusGamers: Is there any opportunity going forward to actually take some of the PC mod stuff and port that to console for console players?

Todd: It actually works. If you have a devkit console you can take the PC mod files, put them on your Xbox and they work. They actually worked in Oblivion, Morrowind and Fallout 3. For all of those games, I can take the PC mods and put them on my Xbox. We have one system so we just need to figure out the logistics of: How do we get it there? How do we secure it? How do we make it safe? It’s something that we would really like to do.

AusGamers: Well that’s tantalising and pretty cool for the console players out there.

Todd: Yeah, it’d be awesome. Here’s this awesome thing and we’re not doing it right now. What do you think of that answer? [laughs]

AusGamers: Sticking with the mod community for a quick second. Is there anything that you guys added to Skyrim that was taken from Oblivion mods or even Fallout 3 mods that just seemed to work that you guys maybe hadn’t thought of before?

Todd: There’s a bunch, in terms of... it’s nice when they’re creating so many things and then they’re voting so you can see what’s popular. We do look at a lot of the popular ones to see how they change the game balance because that’s fairly easy to do. Sometimes they’re adding dungeons and adventures, so we take less from that, it’s more about how do they change health/damage ratios or this, that and the other.