I am sorry your bored by fallout but its bad enough Beth tried forcing Aliens into fallout but now you want mass psyker mutation? Even though I pointed out its not canon! Fallout is Fallout its not Elder scrolls. If you want magic weight till the new Elder Scrolls comes out.

"lets break canon because its boring." :banghead:

Fallout was about seeing the world rebuilding and then fighting a fantastic threat with crazy stuff like mutants, cultists and insane blob of flesh psyker powers. You seem to think of Fallout as Black Isle's/Obsidian's interpretation of the Fallout setting, not the original Fallout.
Black Isle and Obsidian are breaking Fallout's canon with their obsession with stuff that is mundane and boring.
Bethesda is doing a great job at restoring the franchise to it's former glory and would do it a great service by returning to the fantastic as the main threat.

Human factions as main enemy departs from what Fallout really is?
Uh-huh...
So I guess next game should have ghouls as antagonists and the next have androids, and the next have the rebirth of beastlords (break canon much?).
Fallout is about life after the apocalypse.
That the apocalypse happened to spring open a few FEV countainers and in doing so mutating tons of stuff does not mean that it's humans vs mutants.
The first game dealt with super mutants, so what?
Still doesn't mean that it's intention was race wards.


So let me guess, you want it more "epic"?

Obsidian is pretty much the New Black Isle. So what you just said makes no sense at all. Even Beth was afraid people would think Super Mutants were Orks so they changed the colour. They did not make The Family real Vampires so I think even Beth would not say "to hell with lore and canon." They bought fallout because they must have liked the lore and story of the originals, plus they already make alot of games with elves so why can't they leave this one alone!. Also its Obsidian thats returning fallout to its former glory by making New Vegas which is more of a Fallout game then Beth's FO3.

Well, if we were to get an elven psyker army then I bet Milard would ask for aliens or hell, undead skeletons or werewolf disease next.

Sad :sadvaultboy:

Can't be happy with The Commonwealth a faction possibly made up of advanced cyborgs. A pre-war ghoul hunting down other bad pre-war people that may or may not be in America, Trogs, Eastern BoS, a possible war going on with the MWBoS and the idea of chinese agents loose in the Eastern United States, all interesting things Beth came up with (yes I am giving credit to Beth).

Yes and they are [censored] the Fallout i.p. just like Black Isle did. The original i.p. was created by the people who quit Interplay during making of Fallout 2. Fallout 2 was designed by the guy that created L.A. Boneyard, the worst location in the whole game. He turned the game into a munchkinfest with upgradable weapons and tons of real life guns. As Tim Cain said, Fallout is about exploring ethics of the post-nuclear world not about finding a new Plasma Rifle.
It's good when the mundane is counterbalanced by the fantastic and when the fantastic is a part of the exploration of ethics like the master was.


They are called so because they are similar, not because they are literal fantasy critters.


Telepathic good mutants that want to kill humans in their vicinity because they feel their suffering would be deliciously darkly ironic and Fallout is also about dark irony.


You mean a much better Fallout 2 game?


Yes, as epic as the original Fallout. The only good reason for having a Fallout-style character development system that eventually places the PC high above the others is to transcend the mundane world and face the fantastic threat. Otherwise, it becomes a farce and a [censored] of the true spirit of Fallout.

I'll say it this way:
Petty squabbles of human factions and various threats always existed and will always exist. But to bring a true hero, a hero like Vault Dweller to solve them is a travesty. Obsidian doesn't understand it and throws a great hero at such a squabble. Why?
The ending on New Vegas rang hollow to me, because it was so arbitrary. So, I'm a special guy that decides the future (how epic!) of a strip of land, because he's a special awesome one man army and has a special robot friend? That's just pathetic.
That's like dropping a nuke on a bunch of children squabbling on a playground.
Utterly tasteless and unnecessary.

The people that made Fallout One did not think there would be a FO2. Black Isle did not mess up Fallout. Interplay did. They made games like BoS and fallout fans hated it. Why did interplay make BoS? Because they wanted it to be EPIC and ignore canon. Black Isle got into a fight with Interplay. Interplay had money troubles to they got ride of Black Isle. Beth has some good ideas, they just need to work on the writing more.

You think Fallout is Boring but thankfully you seem to be in the vary rare minority that don't care about established lore or story/plot.

I know the people that made FO1 were apart of Interplay but they to left interplay.

Edit: I am not against people with psyker powers. I just don't want a whole faction that happen to look like elves that can control people. Or for such people with psyker powers to be common.

I thought Vegas' ending was pretty "epic".
Depending on who you choose to help it will change the west-coast for decades if not centuries to come.
Will the coast continue on it's diplomatic beuracracy(?) and keep giving money to the rich and not caring about the poor?
Will the coast go backwards in medicine and technology and built on the blood sweat and tears of slaves in order to restore a functional civilization once again?
Or will Vegas be in control of a man who... (Don't remember House's part. )
Haven't finished independence either.

Anyway, the choice the courier makes will change the entire wasteland on the west coast.
In law, prosperity, culture and technology.

You might not have brought down an enormous evil mutant army (By the way, Master wasn't evil.) and saved the wasteland in a more direct sense, but you did change the wasteland, for good or for bad, you had a big part in it.
I would consider that pretty epic.

Should Bethesda introduce technology to TES???

Best reponce yet :grad:

Yeah, yknow...like vertibirds fighting dragons or something.

Maybe the brotherhood of steel and the dark brotherhood could combine to make an assassines guild wearing power armor.

PERHAPS, there could be vaults filled with dwarves that shoot radiation spells AND maybe Optimus prime could fight Mehrus Mother-censored-DAGON!

I'll mosey over their section and ask for some guns then. :hubbahubba:

Arcanum. Might be industrial tech, but man that game rocked it's magic vs technology thing.


Krivbeknih is just a big Lovecraft shout-out/easter egg though.


They weren't mythical vampires, but practical vampires. They were cannibals who refocused their cravings for flesh to blood.


Go play and read Metro 2033. I especially recommend the book.
It already has this premise and plays the psychic card really big. Homos Novus vs Homos Sapiens.


I once had an idea for a story like that. Except the mages were post-human cyborgs who lorded of the ignorant masses.


Freshness are we really going there? That's the fashion-word in video-game industry isn't it; As long as it's fresh!
This isn't about being 'fresh'. This is about totally changing the direction of the game and it's world into something entirely different.
Also rather than human factions fighting for power you want to add a non-human faction fighting for power. You missing out on some wholesome xenocide?
Frank Horrigan was a beast of a boss, by the way.


I don't know what game you played, but I found the ending to be quite epic (though the final battle a bit lackluster).
The Independent ending has the PC even rise to power and overall has his hand in shaping the east-coast for years to come.

Not to mention that your oversimplification of the New Vegas story could be transposed to any of the other games.
Is this what we are going to, a game not being good enough because you don't save the entire world and it's not fantastic!™ enough.

The fact that each individual town and your effect on it is named in Fallout 1, should be more than enough to show you that these simple and 'mundane' matters actually mattered to the creators of the game.

How about time travel, you know, go back to the time before the war in order to prevent the missiles from launching, oh wait, the Doctor already tried that in Fallout 1. (I've just seen the Dr Who Christmas Special, awesome).

They should introduce SkyNet, or whatever it is called, into the Fallout franchise..... Organics v. synthetics and an epic battle that involves ghouls, humans, mutants, and tamed wildlife against the Terminator

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Skynet

It's already in Fallout 2.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Humanoid_Robot

Tactics did the Robots vs. everyone else thing too.

if they add guns to TES, that would svck.

Fable II comes to mind.

"Fallout 3 is oblivion with guns hurr"

Oblivion with guns....

emmmmmm ummmm errrrrr. ehem :whistling:

If they add guns to The Elder Scrolls... There will be war.

The Elder Scrolls is a great series and Fallout is a great series, and each series has its own great features. Magic belongs in TES, but not Fallout. Radiation does do strage things but it doesn't grant magical powers, not even in the Fallout world. Look at the glowing ones, they are the pinnacle of heavily irradiated beings and they do have the ability to shoot off a raidation burst but that's it, and to be able to even do that we'd have to make our character a glowing one which would be a long, painful process that would weaken our bodies and if we turned feral destroy our minds and make us an enemy of virtually everyone. I don't know about you but that would be kinda game breaking for me.

Yes, Fallout wasn't intended to have sequels. It was intended to have spiritual successors in form of games on the same engine that are set in a different setting. Which would be a lot better for the Fallout setting and RPGs in general.


Black Isle messed up the Fallout franchise. They made a theme park munchkinfest called Fallout 2 and were the first to ruin the Fallout canon. Also, BoS guys didn't want to be EPIC, they wanted tons of fan service, action and faction recycling.


Why do you continue to equate Fallout with Fallout 2 and New Vegas? Do you hate Fallout 1 or something? I never said that Fallout is boring. I said that Fallout 2 and New Vegas is boring.


I never said anything about controlling people with their powers. I thought more about killing them or using some machinery to brainwash them.


Just because you levelled up faster than everyone else because the game allowed you to. If they wanted a "realistic" story maybe they should have started with a realistic protagonist? A story about how one guy changes everything in a realistic conflict between armies just because he's a high level chosen one is extremely lame. Don't you see how ridiculous it is?


Fallout was fresh when it came out. Now they turned it into a stale post-Fallout setting.


Actually, I'm against such things. Which is why I'm against the post-Fallout world where there's no fantastic threat and superheroes walk around and change history just because they have high level.


I never said that they didn't matter. The thing is that you weren't dropped into the world as a special superhero that gains power very fast just to solve these mundane matters but to finally transcend these mundane matters and go to fight the fantastic.

Note that mundane conflicts were still only the side quests the and background, not the main quest. Can you imagine Fallout 1 putting the Master and his mutants in the background and for example focusing on a conflict over control of water in the Hub?

Anyway, thanks for the book recommendation, I'll check it out.


There's technology in TES. They have various kinds of weapons and armour there. They also have buildings and stuff like that.

To be honest, it bugs me how it's possible that fantasy worlds get stuck in some kind of a weird mix of dark ages and renaissance. In our world guns appeared before the typical knights plate armour and at that time the Chinese were already using stuff like MLRS and flamethrowers.


A psyker mutation could become active only a few generations later or be caused by specific conditions like in the case of the beastlords.

Fallout setting is very big and it's not like there was only one secret government project related to bioengineering. There are usually many projects going on in many areas and in many fields of knowledge. There can be tons of unexplored fantastic stuff. From what I've read CIA was doing research about psykers IRL.

All we need is a way to turn permanently invisible so we can be invincible! Oh wait....stealthboys! Guess it has more similarities to TES than I thought.