I play on the PC and meet all the requirements.

I've been reading through posts, looking at gameplay videos and asking a friend who has the game (360) to help me form an opinion now I'd like to ask the forum.

First, I should mention that I thought Fallout 3 rated as barely "OK." I'd give it a 5/6 out of 10.

I'll try to give a brief list of my gripes to find out if they were migrated to New Vegas.

Fallout 3's world wasn't immersive(for lack of a better word): The best example of this was the issue of finding GNR. The only NPC that could definitively give you the location of GNR was Moriarity. Even though there were big (bleep)ing signposts painted in the sewers NOONE knew where GNR was? Scavengers that you came across in the sewers didn't know? In however many years since the Brotherhood had an outpost there noone ever came across those signs and spread rumors? Raiders never noticed them?

This was extra annoying since soon after the start of the game Three Dog would mention that he talked to the Lone Wanderer's father and knew about Project Purity. You would know you needed to find GNR yet noone except Moriarity had it as a topic.

The girl in Moriarity's would tell you Three Dog's broadcast's out of the DC ruins but that was it. That would be fine because at least you'd get a clue (he mentions it too). Which is why I couldn't understand why no other NPC's had info on GNR. Since Three Dogs said he was in the ruins, people knew he was in the ruins and there were signs that would lead anyone who could read straight to it.

There weren't enough in-game clues to play the game in an immersive way. I hope that makes sense.

Fallout 3's world seemed...: I don't know what word to use. Stupid? Incomplete? Why did chem dealers hang out in the middle of the wastes nowhere near a settlement while people begging for water would do so in front of settlements? Wouldn't it make more sense to be the other way around? Even though you'd give water to them all you got was karma? What about a rumor of wealth or something tangible instead? At least in Oblivion giving to a beggar opened up a quest. Rivet City had a heavily armed garrison yet they never tried to clear out the Super Mutant outpost that was right next to them? Not even try to clear out Anacostia Crossing's atrium? Couldn't those have been mini-quests for the LW? Noone ever tried to establish safe travel routes between settlements? Scavengers that set up stalls in sewers don't have any information about the sewers? They've never heard of Riley's Ranger's? Don't know where GNR is? Can't tell you there's a Glowing One/Raider/Super Mutant/etc around the corner from their stall? Gob would beg you to deliver a message to Carol yet not have any dialogue topics afterwards?

There was just so little that made the world feel...connected. Even though you had traders that went to every settlement none of the NPC's acted like they knew about the world outside of their settlement. It seemed like each location was just plopped down to give the player a place to kill something. I understand it was post-Apocalyptic but...

Is New Vegas like that too?

Sounds like you won't like New Vegas if you didn't like Fallout 3, and especially for many of the reasons you listed. It's a Fallout 3 clone with the same graphics, same items, same a lot of stuff. That said, I liked Fallout 3 a lot, and I do like New Vegas.

:facepalm: Wrong! It is not a fallout 3 clone. Same engine yes but a new environment with new features and some new weapons along with more quests. If you have the money buy it, if you dont have much money wait and see what the reviews are on all the new releases in about December. FO:NV is a great game but is definitely not a must buy.

Same graphics? Yes. Same other stuff? No.
I honestly don't know whether you will like NV or not. Have you read the reviews? Seen the gameplay footage?
If you're not sure, perhaps somewhere nearby rents games?

Pacho, New Vegas is pretty much just an expansion of FO3 and not really a new game. So if you didn't care much for the former you may not enjoy the latter as well. Plus its bug ridden as heck.

Thanks for the replies.

I figure I'll just wait and see how it develops. The first Fallout 3 I bought was the GOTY edition and that was late last year so I don't figure I'll be missing anything by holding off on New Vegas.

Who knows, I may never get it...lol

Once again thanks for the replies.

An expansion that has nearly twice as much content. I see.

Was Fallout 2 an expansion for Fallout?

i would wait. it's buggy and a lot of people are getting corrupted saves. myself included. maybe they will get it all ironed out.

Wait, it'll be cheaper in six months and with luck they'll have resolved the bugs by then too. Though if you didn't rate FO3 I'm not sure how much you'll like NV anyway.

You'd be surprised. You know that hardcoe Fallout fanbase that absolutely despised Bethesda and what they did to the franchise? Yeah, a lot of them are eating New Vegas up. Mostly. It's still not the same for them.

If you have a computer that can handle the game well buy it for PC and use all the mods that change the game. Fallout 3 was 1000x better with mods like FWE and MMM.

I know, that's evident from the forums, but I I still think that most who didn't get on with brown post-apocalyptic first-person adventure game A won't get on with brown post-apocalyptic first-person adventure game B either, they're not *that* different. And anwyay, the buggyness makes it harder to recommend atm.

(It's a good thing I love my brown post-apocalyptic first-person adventure games...)

That would've been OK.

I was just hoping the writing was improved. It doesn't sound like it was.

Thanks again for the replies.

Well here is a question. Can't you go to your friends house who has the game, and play it? This should be the most simplest answer unless you can't go to your friends house that is. Lives in a different countery/province/state/ city or town.

That may answer questions about gameplay but not about the story.

That's what I did for Fallout 3.

It wasn't until I actually bought the game and played extensively that I realized the story/writing was so bad. I'm trying to avoid that this time.

Agreed. There's some tweaking here and there and a few new things to do (much fleshed out "crafting"), but it does feel like a very large FO3 expansion that came late (its almost the "Shivering Isles" of Fallout 3). I'm enjoying it, but I like FO3 more. After the new Nvidia drivers and Steam/Bethesda/Obsidian/whomever fixing the saved game issue my game has been for the most part trouble free.

Pacho,

If you only thought Fallout 3 was a 5 or 6 out of 10, then FNV won't be much different. And with a PC, I hear they're working on fixing the crashes for most machines. PS3 is running well overall, and I really am enjoying the game despite the occasionally but very irritating crashes (about 15 crashes in the Strip city area, outside, almost zero crashes). Fun game otherwise and I love Fallout 3.

Haha I still totally disagree, but don't get me wrong, I am enjoying the game. This game has the same engine, same graphics, same gameplay and game dynamics (save for a -very- few new features), and even the same items ingame (with a few additional and more variety). This was the game that fallout 3 should have been. And instead of making these changes as well as making a totally new game, they pretty much settled for what the game became.

Yes

IMHO, wait a few months until they patch it up or some DLC and good mods come out for it ( if your on PC of course). Right
now playing can be a headache. I've had the game since launch and have spent more time troubleshooting bugs and finding
fixes than playing the game.

No. Don't buy it.

It is essentially more of the same with one glaring exception - unlike Fallout 3 it doesn't run.

I loved Fallout 3 and I played the hell out of it. Now I have bought this game and it won't run on the very same system that rocked through Fallout 3. So, like another poster said, if you have any interest in ever playing it wait until it goes on sale on Steam for $20 because by then it will run. Until that time save your money and frustration and skip it.

I only wish I had done that.

Fallout 3 - 9/10
New Vegas - 0/10