Should DLC be outsourced to Obsidian?

Post » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:34 pm

Fallout 3 is a fun playground but it is lacking in several core traits that distinguish Fallout from other franchises. Obsidian has shown that they can implement these core traits almost as well as the moders. Bethesda's world building with the Fallout franchise has not been as strong as it could be, and Fallout 4 is a step back in simulating a dynamic world that changes according to player decisions and behavior. In its current state Fallout 4 lacks development of factions and characters; the personalities of a faction remains a fixed path and it is a choice of progressing that path or not rather than branching interaction between factions and characters. Fallout New Vegas and its DLC captured the world of Fallout and the creative ways player choices could be represented in the world. I have run several table top rpgs in the last few years and use a reminder for players of how they can have fun. RPG can stand for role playing game or roll playing game. Roll refers to game mechanics that are mostly combat. Combat is enjoyable and is one way to play an rpg, but role playing is what separates an rpg from a miniatures war game. Role refers to the character and the ability to make choices that define the character's personality and motivation. The conversation system and available choices should allow a player to experience multiple positive and negative consequences from a single choice. Case in point from one of the earliest quests in New Vegas. The player can chose to side with a faction regarding the life of someone they have only just met. They can make one choice and from that choice they have narrative mechanical results with how multiple factions see them and an overall state of karma which can be very important because an individual npc might dislike you because you have hurt their faction but respect you because you have a reputation of being honest in dangerous situations, or they distrust you because while you may have helped their faction a lot you are a well known cheat and murderer. This is but one of the traits that make the Fallout franchise stand out and helps with the retention of customers. If you want to understand what these things are play 2 hours of Fallout 1, 2, New Vegas, and Wasteland 2. Without these distinct traits there is not a strong reason to keep consumers returning to the franchise over other franchises. Obsidian has a track record of creating these traits in games they make and publish. I would like to believe that Bethesda can do these things for the Fallout 4 DLC, but I already trust Obsidian to deliver strong content in any such DLC.

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Post » Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:35 am

Considering that I liked FO3 more than FO:NV? No thanks.

And even if I'd liked FO:NV more, I'd prefer that the same dev team make expansion content for their own game, rather than have conflicting design styles/goals/etc resulting in a more incoherent experience.

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Post » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:38 am

That was a lot of text for me to Wade through to post a simple no thank you.
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Post » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:26 am

No thank you please.
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Emma Pennington
 
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Post » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:25 am

I don't want Obsidian to have anything to do with the DLC for a Bethesda game. I want Bethesda to make the DLC for their games. Obsidian can make the DLC for their own games.

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Post » Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:01 am

I found Obsidian's DLC such as old world blues, lonesomeroad, and honest hearts to be better than point lookout, mothership zeta, and the pitt.

They tied all the DLC's in with the main story and all in all it was fun.

I'd prefer if they worked on the DLC's, but on the otherhand this isn't their game so it might not turn up as well as it did in Vegas. So I'm on the fence leaning for Obsidian.

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Post » Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:34 am

I much prefer for these things to be kept in house, so it's a no from me.

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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:40 pm

I say other, because it is INCREDIBLY unlikely, if not pretty much something that is not going to happen what so ever.

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Post » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:44 am

I'd prefer Obsidian to get a shot at New Vegas 2, and for Bethesda to finish their own DLC's for their own game.

As I said before, I'd like to see what Obsidian would do with the framework bethesda built for FO4, but where they would truly shine is making their own iteration with all the base components provided, as they had done with New vegas.

It would be a nice rotation to have TES, Beth Fallout East coast, Obsidian Fallout West Coat,

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Post » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:59 am

Bethesda developed the game, so they should be the ones to make the DLC

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Post » Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:51 am

obsidian isn't good at world building, they're good at story telling and thats their biggest strength, todd howard and his team is responsible for some of the funnest games i ever played so anyone else doing their vision doesn't work that well as far as i'm concerned but there is ZERO % chance obsidian will do fallout 4 dlc.

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Post » Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:00 am

Prefer Beth to do Beth's work with the caveat that Obsidian could do proper work IF they get the time and resources necessary to produce quality content and that they have a better chance at making great stuff now that Avellone has left and isn't there to mess things up.

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Post » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:57 am

Obsidian would make a better game, especially with the all the settlement building stuff going on. I hope they rent the franchise again and do It.
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Post » Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:59 am

I would like a mix of Obsidian and Bethesda. I would like Obsidian to do the dialogue and quests, I would imagine Obsidian would scoff at the voiced protgonist and how it limits the "RPG" aspects of this RPG game, but maybe they could do it better. But I would want Bethesda to do the actual gameworld, they are really masters at doing interesting environments, and it especially shows in this game.

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Post » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:42 am

I wish Obsidian made the original post, they understand the concept of paragraphs.

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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:04 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't some of the major players in New Vegas' team no longer with Obsidian? If that's true, no thanks. And as much as I'd like another Obsidian Fallout game, with those guys gone it won't be what people expect.
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Post » Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:04 am

That's really not going to happen, unfortunately. You can just think how much they don't want to work with each other when fans started bashing Bethesda because they thought that NV was better, and Obsidian were forced to work with a buggy (and pretty [censored]) engine with only 18 months to make the game.

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Post » Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:45 pm

No. I want all content to be done in house. And not only that, I loved FO3 and did not like NV.
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Post » Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:25 am


NV was such an incredibly ambitious game, and you're right, the engine they had to work with was shot, so it was no wonder it had problems. I still think Obsidian are some of the best story writers in the busines, so with the current fo4 / skyrim engine we have now - which is clearly better due to a lot more time and development, now would be a great time for the likes of Obsidian to come in and actually give us the ambition and a story worth playing.

I loved Fo3 but the story was awful. Im enjoying fo4 but the story is awful....
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Post » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:39 am

I'd like it if they made a story DLC that takes place in the current map. They can write some good, dark stories but i'd rather leave the world building to Bethesda. The NV map is just awful.

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Post » Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:57 am

Paradox Interactive recently bought White Wolf, and along with that, the rights to World of Darkness and VtMB. Paradox have already contacted Obsidian, so likely they will be making a AAA game (possibly VtMB 2) So I see zero chance of Obsidian being involved again with Fallout as it stands.

https://twitter.com/obsidian/status/659784786479738880

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Post » Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:10 am

This. Consistency is important. BGS made this game, they should finish it. I'd love to see Obsidian work on Fallout again, but if it ever happens, they should be responsible for all of the game, not just DLC.
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Post » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:16 pm

I would have said yes but I don't think they would be able to do much with a voiced protagonist. And even though I dislike the voiced protagonist it wouldn't be good if they made the DLC's non voiced. But they probably would be better gameplay wise, I hope they just take over the fallout series.

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Post » Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:07 am

No thanks rather they stay in house with everything related to Fallout 4.

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Post » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:30 am

Won't happen of course. A new Fallout developed by Obsidian is a possibility but Bethesda will develop their own DLC. I've never heard of a third party developer creating DLC for another developer's game.
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