Should dragons be infinite? : V - Skyrim

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:24 pm

This thread suffers from a huge misconception. I think its safe to assume that dragons will be unlimited UNTIL you finish the main quest. Afterwards, no dragons. (Thats assuming the ending will resemble Morrowind's and Oblivion's). The lack of clarity as to when are dragons are going to be unlimited is what has this discussion going in circles.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:06 pm

It didn't work with the monkeys, and I don't want to have to buy copies of all Shakespeare's plays.

One more time.................what?

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:12 pm

This thread suffers from a huge misconception. I think its safe to assume that dragons will be unlimited UNTIL you finish the main quest. Afterwards, no dragons. (Thats assuming the ending will resemble Morrowind's and Oblivion's). The lack of clarity as to when are dragons are going to be unlimited is what has this discussion going in circles.

I'm fairly sure that everyone who is against dragons being unlimited, doesn't want them unlimited at any point in the game. :down:

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:55 pm

I didn't quite understand this correctly but after you kill a dragon, dont you take their powers or something? I don't really remember how it goes.

@On topic:
I wouldn't mind it.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:48 pm

This thread suffers from a huge misconception. I think its safe to assume that dragons will be unlimited UNTIL you finish the main quest. Afterwards, no dragons. (Thats assuming the ending will resemble Morrowind's and Oblivion's). The lack of clarity as to when are dragons are going to be unlimited is what has this discussion going in circles.

How can we have misconceptions about something that you are assuming? That just doesn't make sense to me. And this discussion isn't going in circles since we aren't talking about 'Will dragons be infinite?', we are talking about 'Should dragons be infinite?'. That implies it is a matter of opinion (and the fact that there is a poll), not a debate as to whether or not they will actually be in the game. That is how I took it, anyway.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:07 pm

I didn't quite understand this correctly but after you kill a dragon, dont you take their powers or something? I don't really remember how it goes.

@On topic:
I wouldn't mind it.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2011/01/20/skyrim-s-dragon-shouts.aspx

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:03 pm

Definitely limited. Not just because it wouldn't make sense from a lore standpoint for there to be unlimited dragons, but because each encounter should feel like an epic, rare and unique struggle and not some mundane activity that you'll grow accustomed to.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:12 am

I'm fairly sure that everyone who is against dragons being unlimited, doesn't want them unlimited at any point in the game. :down:

But they have to be unlimited during the MQ?

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:06 pm

.............................I can't believe people want them to be infinite...

Part of the reason enemies are fresh and NON tedious to kill, is because there isnt another one every 5 minutes....lets not undermine Beths Supposed hardwork on the Dragons by spamming them, contrary to belief this edition of TES isn't just about OMGLULZ DRAGONS......

not every 5 minutes/ i meant a gap of a week or two befor eth enext

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:41 am

One more time.................what?

How else am I supposed to get copies of all Shakespeare's plays without an infinite number of something to guarantee their production via random chance?

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:08 am

It actually says that killing a Dragon gives you the ability to learn a shout, not a word, so 20 Dragons, and 60 walls, seems to be implied.

The ability to learn the shout = word, 3 words make a shout, = 60 dragons.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:23 pm

But they have to be unlimited during the MQ?

No, when did I say this? :blink:

I don't want them to be unlimited at all. How can I make that any more clear?

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:38 pm

Dragons should be limited and their personality/behavior must be individually hand-crafted for a different experience each time you meet one. Quality over quantity. I am a fan of them not being scripted, but they should have some sort of pre-determined behavior which could be altered somewhat depending on the choices the player make/has made.

I would HATE to meet the same dragon twice! And a dragon generator would svck as it would strip them of a deeper personality (which I hope they have - they are highly intelligent creatures after all). So NO infinite dragons.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:49 pm

Finite, I want each one to take me to an epic adventure or a terrorizing encounter and I want a huge gap of other plots between them to make my journey last, second I want a boss who is total boss (Some human that also seeks dragon power and is using it for evil purposes (Imagine a badass looking dragon-human zombified hybrid boss).

That would make my day

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:27 pm

Dragons should be limited and their personality/behavior must be individually hand-crafted for a different experience each time you meet one. Quality over quantity. I am a fan of them not being scripted, but they should have some sort of pre-determined behavior which could be altered somewhat depending on the choices the player make/has made.

I would HATE to meet the same dragon twice! And a dragon generator would svck as it would strip them of a deeper personality (which I hope they have - they are highly intelligent creatures after all). So NO infinite dragons.

Actually, I do want an unlimited amount of individually hand-crafted dragons, but you only see 20 per game. :biggrin:

That is a complete fantasy I know, but hey, it is a fantasy (and fantastic) game.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:08 pm

Limited. What do you do if you kill all the dragons? You start another character.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:04 pm

If they do then make it an uncommon encounter since i dont want to fight 2 dragoms after fighing one.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:30 pm

They should be unlimited, but finding one should be a very rare event. At least once the main quest is completed. Indeed I would like them being a very rare encounter also during the main quest, but I suppose if someone want to finish the MQ in a few days it should be capable of do it.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:00 pm

Dragons are a special enemy, have specific powers, and have been harkened by Alduin himself. Also consider the fact that dragons haven't been all too plentiful in the last games. I see where you might be coming from, but it just makes no sense from a gameplay perspective nor the story perspective. If they're infinite, then there really is no hope of saving the world is there? What would happen with the dragon shouts? The entire point of killing one is to stop it from harassing the town and to gain its shout. There's supposed to be a sense of accomplishment instead of it being a run-of-the-mill enemy.

^ Mm hmm.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:26 pm

No, when did I say this? :blink:

I don't want them to be unlimited at all. How can I make that any more clear?

I meant that they kind of have to be unlimited during the MQ.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:44 pm

I meant that they kind of have to be unlimited during the MQ.

Why? We didn't have infinite Oblivion Gates in Oblivion. I don't see your logic.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:46 pm

I really think dragons need to be unlimited. What is to be done after you've killed all of them?

No. If dragons are infinite or in too great abundance, much like the gates of Oblivion, they will suffer the same fate of repetition, boredom, and ultimately an uninteresting feature.

Dragons need to be powerful. Dragons need to be vicious. Dragons need to make the hairs on your neck stand up when they roar. Dragons also need to be LIMITED. There is only one Dragonborn. The rest of Skyrim is more than likely screwed when it comes to combating dragons. It makes more sense for them to be powerful, yet rare as to not make them seem common and uninteresting.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:26 am

No. If dragons are infinite or in too great abundance, much like the gates of Oblivion, they will suffer the same fate of repetition, boredom, and ultimately an uninteresting feature.

Dragons need to be powerful. Dragons need to be vicious. Dragons need to make the hairs on your neck stand up when they roar. Dragons also need to be LIMITED. There is only one Dragonborn. The rest of Skyrim is more than likely screwed when it comes to combating dragons. It makes more sense for them to be powerful, yet rare as to not make them seem common and uninteresting.

They may not be unlimited, but from the podcast they are not gonna be rare. They said there are gonna be a lot of them.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:18 pm

if a fight with a dragon is suposed to be as big an ordeal as its looking like then no i dont want them unlimited that would be a foul pain in my ass. only if after the mq they had set spawn areas and even those were few and far between then i could almost maybe be okay with it

besides, in every fantasy story about dragons that i have ever read that involved dragons they have been extremely rare i think that having them be unlimited would go against every lore that i could think of

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:17 am

From what I hear, killing a dragon only FUELS the ability to learn new shouts. That means you may need to kill X dragons before that new shout is available, and then you have to venture across skyrim learning your newfound power. Heck, it may even be X dragons per WORD.

And I wan unlimited. If dragons are such an epic struggle against, then it is a sad day when none are left to challenge you. It leaves you no epic dragon battles left. And, if you kill em all after the MQ, your still left without the epic battles. If dragons are the big daddies of TES, remember that big daddies were unlimited as well.