It has nothing to do with whether or not you fail a speech check. If you fail the speech check he doesn't let you in, but he notices that you're a tribal whether you pass it or not. Here is the successful dialogue track taken straight from the file:

People who play every game in the series repeatedly tend to know alot more about things.

Well by Dead I meant as a large powerful threating faction. I do agree there is Chicago, a small outpost, most likely built as a relay station when the Enclave moved from Navarro to DC.

Hmm... fair enough. I think I'll just add that to the bin of things that I will disregard because they cannot be explained given the Enclave's attitudes and basic laws. It will join the little factiod that Enclave soldiers are allowed leave, in San Fransisco, a town inhabited by the decendants of the people that they are still technically at war against, and in any-case, a wastelander-inhabited, irraidiated food city.

Gottcha. Then I would agree with that. Any Enclave survivors from DC/Chicago are in absolutely no position to emerge as a powerful faction again (or at the most for a very very long time). The only way I could see the Enclave taking an active role in domination again is if a Barnaky-MWBOS/Enclave alliance occured, which is at least somewhat plausible.

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Thats not the point unless i see some damn good evidence to support this.

Yeah thats what I meant.

Thank you!! Now please tell me why anything I said is actually wrong, as in INCORRECT, and why you^*, pressumabley, are right...

*Please include actual facts, would you kindly, and not just a generic arguement that ,"the future is what we make of it", or whatever.

Makes sense. Those that played the games and still play the games and are obsessed with them and Fallout as a whole, would know more about it then those that just read the wiki/vault. I think any part of this forum that is about the first three fallout games is proof enough.

Do we know everything? I would say no but I would say we definitely have a better understanding. Playing a game is the best way to learn.

Styles, The Enclave, Smert, Me (To a lesser extent), Gabriel77dan, and all the other dinosaurs.

I never have stated that i was right at all. Im saying just because you say that they cant be anywhere else it doesnt mean its true. They could be anywhere in america.

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Oh, and with the lyrics I actually refer to the original Meat Puppets song, but Nirvana is awesome too

But they weren't.

You know that I am not exactly an orthodox dinosaur right? I mean, it's the lore inconsistancies piss me off, the game, F3, and mechanics I could care less about, I have Fallout 2 for both mechanics and story :fallout: ; it was Oblivion that got me into Fallout back when I was 14, at first it was nothing more than, "A Bethseda (because that's what I thought they were called until about 6 months ago :blush:) RPG like Oblivion, [censored]-yeah!" Then I saw the previews and got really hooked, as much as I did with BioShock; and with BioShock I later went on to read the titanic 1168 page novel it was inspired by so yeah. First thing I did, around October 2008, was go and buy Fallout 2 where I first saw the Enclave and it still remains my favourite of the series; going back to play Fallout 1 after that is pretty hard , still haven't finished it.



Well I feel that I have proven why I think that not to be the case. As far as I am concerned they have gone to the great there-after as a major organisation, look forward to seeing them in Chicago though :shifty: .

Hey The Enclave and Styles all I was trying to do is let people know that they could be out there. Wiki say that there were Sigma squads "posted to unknown and highly secretive locations outside of the Capital Wasteland around locations deemed by the Enclave high command as imparative to the salvation of the cause." I only remember killing 1 Sigma squad as Adams afb in fo3. Its also been made pretty clear that they have a game worth of Enclave in Chicago. I have no problem with not having Enclave in every game, but i d rather have them then weak cl. Since I did come up in fo3 I expect the human enemys to be able to hurt me at least. I want the game to be hard Legion did not provide that feel. They are weak and it feels that they are the ones that could use some help. Enclave would have won in Fo3 if not for the player cl would have a hard time with Fiends and Great Khans. The writers did great in the lore about cl, but they didnt stand to the lore in combat at all.

Ok then give me the cold hard evidence that they are not.

No such evidence exists, infact we know for almost sure that they are in Chicago. It is all speculation, grounded in reason and plausability, some people think that in 2242 there were only Navarro and the Oil Rig, discrediting the statements of AHS-9 and other outsiders that other Enclave locations existed, primarily becuase they were outside sources and may be in-accurate. I believe that such bases did exist, based on the quotes from various Navarro and Oil Rig people, but all amalgamated after the destruction of the Oil Rig, at Navarro. Niether can be, and most likely, will never be proved; both are speculative.

Exactly no evidence exists. So therefore you are not sure and dont know yet. There are only assumptions and speculation of what and where they are. But its not Fact.

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Also I just want to point out that in all 4 fo games we really only know about a 1 000 000 000th of a % of the world. I happen to like a shadowy pre war remnent that could pop up at any time with equip equal or better than my own. I just want people to realize that in post nuclear war times no one really knows on a world wide scale what is going on and who is out there. I m not saying I know but just that I could write them back in and not crush to over all story line. I think I have done that. Main point is in Fo4 I want an ememy that holds up to thier lore when the metal meets the meat. Enclave can do that cl can t. Anything like cl is a bad overall enemy.

This.

If they had an outpost on the mainland, the Enclave soldier you can contact wouldn't go "OMGWTFBBQUONMAINLAND?WAAAAAAAA"

Enclave is an overused enemy like the Empire in Star Wars, you need to deal with it.

We know much more than that. A large portion of the United States has been explored with the Fallout games.



I do to. The Enclave and the lore surrounding it is in my mind the most interesting part of the Fallout series universe. But that doesn't mean that the Enclave should or can keep coming back as the "big bad guy" to beat. I have no doubt that we'll see at least some form of the Enclave again, but hopefully not as a major faction. If you keep bringing them back as the "main faction to take over the world" then it ruins the immersion and semi-plausible factor in my view.



You're right, we don't know for sure. But we can make some pretty good assumptions and educated guesses.

Gah. People let's not have a thread 2 of this. We are all pretty stuborn in our opinions and it's clear that we aren't willing to comprimise; how about we all go away, have a nice cold pint of Shut the [censored] Up and go do something else as opposed to have the same arguement that we've all been having for the last 10 pages. I'm going to write the next part of my Fan-Fic, Boradom, keep playing Dues Ex; let's all just do something better than have this again.

I have looked into getting the 1st 2 FOs id need a sound card for my old *** pc and I think it would run those games. Those games r not in stores i ve looked for them it seems I could only get them on line. I d hate to get the games and a sound card only to find that I can t play them with out dumping hundreds of dollars into my pc. My pc is not a gaming platform it freezes up like mad when I try to get a clan match on Gamebattles. I dont know if it could handle even 15 or 20 year old games like FO 1 and 2. That is why I just do the reading so I can understand the story because they story really has no limit. Any place in the world as long as they pay attention to detail in the location/ setting like FO3 would be a hit. The story of Fallout is unstoppable.