Graphics, graphics, graphics... Who cares?

This thread's purpose was to be something different than the usual console vs pc threads that usually pop up. Those threads usually argue about wether "console gameplay" is to streamlined or whatever.
This thread, however, is all about comparing specifications. Even though the usual threads always end up in flame wars, at least there is a discussion. Here, it's just lining up facts. Of course a PC is better hardware wise.
I fail to see why this is relevant at all to Skyrim.

Maybe. I didn't like the spanish translation in Oblivion. On the other hand, I'd like to have the physical DVD and/or the Collector's Edition (if there will be any avaliable).

Another option is to buy the english version of Skyrim in Amazon. We'll see...



You answer yourself in the next argument:



And what kind of games would extensively use CPU and not GPU? 2D strategy games, or games strongly focusing on AI?. How many of them are avaliable for 360/PS3? (put it in percentage, please, it'll be funny ).

Face it. Nice graphics is something standart those days. It's just called "evolution". if not, we'd still be stuck with Wolfenstein 3D.



They have the same basic architecture. But Core i7 has:

- More clock frequency.
- More instruction sets.
- 5 extra cores.
- Some misc. extras.

Simple as that. There's also a reason about so many people complaining about being stuck in an architecture which is more than 30 years old.

I repeat: learn the basics again before replying.

The first part is the only thing i can touch on, because I can't scroll down on the phone. I think it's a catch 22. The reason it isnt true is because of stale hardware, IMHO.

Edit: stale hardware being the majority.

Very wrong actually. It's a mediocre CPU to match the rest of the mediocre parts. Clock speed doesn't mean everything. The architecture for the Xbox 360 was first used with 90nm transistors, and even though there have been die shrinks, that same architecture is still chugging along very slowly. Modern PC CPUs have significantly newer architecture and are way faster than the Xbox 360's CPU.

While "graphics don't matter", there are always a surprising number of threads talking about a game's graphics, either positively or negatively (strange, for something that "doesn't matter")

The problem is, that graphics do matter. They matter an awful lot. They set the scene for the game, they control the atmosphere, they coveted gameplay is all about looking at the graphics and responding to what they depict - graphics are the most important communication between the game and the player, and are, as such, incredibly important. Sure, if the textures look nice then running them at twice the resolution is nothing more than a luxury - but running at a higher resolution with a greater view distance gives you more to see, with greater detail. This is good for gameplay (Assuming perfect methods of hiding LOD changes and view distance as to not take away from the immersion, of course). Anti Aliasing? That's just taking the jaggies off, surely? No, jaggies don't happen in real life, seeing them is directly detrimental to immersion.

As much as "graphics don't matter", they do, and if the game was released with bad (note: *bad*, not low resolution, or small textures, just *bad*) graphics, there would be legitimate complaints, because it would get in the way of what matters most - the gameplay. But you can't have that without graphics to fit, whether they be the characters in a text adventure, the wireframes of elite, the god rays of crysis, or the side of a blade in skyrim.

I'd like to http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1157139-made-for-pc-or-consoles/page__view__findpost__p__16961333 as this is another thread without answers.

1 extra core actually, but 5 more threads.

So since this is a ploy and trick to say that PC gaming is better than consoles, I will add my opnion to this. Why this wasn't locked, espiceisally from Summer, I am a bit shocked to it. I guess
because we are all behaved she and the other Mods have let it go.

Why I prefer the console over the PC is I am sick and tired of tweaking the PC to play a game. I am sicke of being told to update drivers, do a clean install, frag your Hard Drive, Do this DO THAT.
All I want to do is put disk in, install, and play. I can do that with the 360. I can do that with the PS3.

Graphics are not everything. Mods are not everything. I am getting a bit sick and tired of people who say PC is the way to go, because of their supieority complex. Many people don't like fiddling
with computers. Many people do not like updating this or updating that. Many people are sick and tired of buying a new graphic cards ever year or two or what ever. Some people just like the
console over the PC.

Get over it. Some people actually like playing on a 360 or PS3 and don't care for the PC. It's not a big of a deal. For the OP to fool us in making this thread, just goes to show, how alot of
PC people think they are better, or smarter over people who play on a 360. I play on the 360. You are no better or smarter than me just because you do. So what if I don't know much about
computers. That makes you a better person than me?

Get over it. So what if the PC has better graphics. So what if the PC can use the console. I don't care. I am perfectly happy playin on my 360 or PS3.

Why do people have to go out and say you can buy this for so much and have a better experiance? Why do you think you have to change people to stop playing on consoles?

I don't want to deal with Steam. I don't want deal with tweaking my computer. I don't want to download the latest drivers, or if that doesn't work, try and find older drivers to use. I am perfectly happy
with playing on medium or just above medium settings on the console. Graphics are not everything. Graphics last about 2-12 hours of game play and then you are too involved playing the game
instead of being wowed by graphics.

As long as the story is entertaining, and enthralling, I am perfectly happy on the console. Please don't insult me by saying, OOOOOOO I can make a cheaper PC rig over my 360 and PS 3.
Please don't try and make yourself supeiror because you can make a gaming rig and I can't. Please don't try and make me a less of a person because I prefer the console over the PC.

Also why is this thread not locked since it has nothing to do with Skyrim now.

^^On the flip-side, it's annoying being constantly told you are an elitist with a superiority complex just because you prefer the PC version.

Mods alone are a reason to get the PC version. If that isn't enough it will run better, perform better, look better and be more customizable.


Shouldn't it be a given console gaming is better if you want to just play? I'm not a console guy (don't own any) but not seeing the benefits is just stupid.

I personally buy it for both the PC and the Xbox 360. As I play through it the first few times on the console then swap to the computer when I feel I'm ready to start modding and getting mods.... Because the temptation would be to much for me if I started with it on the PC.... So it is really just personal opinion.

Well, I think the discussion is fair, because people are comparing the platforms he is trying to choose between. Some PC gamers aren't the elitist douches you described. I actually enjoy learning about the new hardware releases and upgrading my computer. It's also just fine if you want something simple and prefer the consoles. In my opinion the PC is better in every way except it costs people more money and it costs people more time. If you can live with that, then the PC is the best choice.

Capcom didn't handle the DMC3 port themselves, and did handle the DMC4 port themselves. That'd be why.

And actually, I'm not sure I'd say that games that don't get decent ports aren't worth playing. That was almost always the case quite some time ago, but as the industry's shifted further and further towards a focus on multiplatform development with an emphasis on the consoles there's been a higher and higher number of worthwhile console games that get garbage ports to the PC (or, even worse, no ports at all).


It's lining up the facts and then discussing what those facts mean. "Console gameplay" isn't actually something that exists and streamlining is something that happens in every popular game on every platform in the modern industry, so there really isn't any valuable discussion to be had there unless the intention is specifically to go out of your way hunting for arguments. Looking at the gaps in hardware between the PC and the consoles and discussing what that gap means and whether or not that gap is worth keeping for so long is going to produce far, far more valuable discussion.


A few other titles as well, actually. Dead Rising 2 is a good example. And the percentage being low isn't really relevant - I've already stated that it's not common, but that doesn't matter. You made an absolute statement that the GPU is the bottleneck on all games. When I pressed you on it, you then confirmed that yes, you meant every single game. I wouldn't have picked at it otherwise, but as it stands your statements were wrong.


And I repeat: you are being vastly overly broad when you discuss the differences between them. "Some misc. extras" is a gigantic category and is far, far more important than the clock frequency or the number of cores (and not every i7 has five extra cores - several of them are dual- or quad-core).

Processor architecture is a category covering a much, much, MUCH more complicated set of features than the instruction set that they use. There are gigantic hardware differences in modern x86 processors, differences that involve more than higher clock speeds or more cores, and you're ignoring these pretty much entirely.

Please, don't keep repeating "learn the basics". You proved that you don't understand the basics several pages back when you stated that clock speed is the most important measure of a processor's performance (it's not) and that the number of cores is equally as important (it's not), so you're really in no position to tell anyone else that they don't know "the basics".


It's not, though. Right now, first-person shooters, third-person shooters, platformers and third-person action games dominate the industry's list of high profile titles. In pretty much all of those genres, "stale hardware" isn't relevant - graphical progression is the only progression in them that typically requires more power. Advances in other areas rarely, if ever, introduce a need for more power.

I never said that graphics don't matter, I'm a hardware nerd myself. I agree with you fully. Did you read my post at all?
I was just questioning the reason behind this thread. We do not even discuss graphics vs gameplay or any other flame war variant, we only talk about why PCs are more powerful than consoles.




This.

Honestly, I only have an xbox 360 and I say you get it for PC. Hell even I'm going to be saving for a PC.

Maybe so, but what does this still has to do with Skyrim?

Dead Rising 2 was intensive on all aspects of your system. My GPU and my CPU were both stressed in that game.

Little to nothing, but you can blame that on the person who started it. He lied in the first post, and his intention was always to argue in favor of the PC as a platform and not to discuss anything especially strongly related to Skyrim.


Fair enough. It's still a decent example of games where the CPU is stressed and the GPU isn't the singular main determining factor of performance, though.

Within the first few days after release there will already be hundreds or thousands of mods created for Skyrim.

Some of the mods eventually published will be amazing and greatly improve your experience after playing the vanilla version a bit.

If you can afford a PC that will run the game in 1920x1080 or at least 1600x900 then your decision is simple.

"Graphics graphics graphics - who cares?"
Re-reading your post I see what you mean, but that first sentence coloured the whole thing for me

And yes, while there are plenty of legitimate arguments for and against playing any game on PC, this thread contains none of them.

When Oblivion was released I remember there being... I'm not sure how many, but maybe a dozen mods. Maybe two dozen. Expecting hundreds of mods within a few days of the game's release (even assuming that the construction set is released before the game is, which may not happen) is unrealistic, and expecting thousands even moreso.

I don't know how good RPG's are on consoles, so I can't really say.
I am most likely going to ugrade my pc or buy a whole new one for Skyrim.

The thing is, he is not TRYING TO CHOOSE between the two. He even admited this was a ploy to see what we would say. He even said it was cheaper to make your own gaming rig and was simple to do and basically everyone should do it.

So to make a post to fool us "Ha Ha" just means he is trying to say that he is better than us console players, or console players are "stupid" or whatever because we choose not to play on PC.

Yes of course the PC is the better choice than playing on the consoles if all is being equal. Thing is, it is not being equal. People don't want to bother with tweaking PCs to get the game to run properly or smoothly.
Lots of people don't have the time to do this, or can be bothered to do it.

There are plenty of reasons why the console is better than the PC. It is preference. So to tell someone that the PC is better, doesn't matter because it's preference.

To say better graphics, who cares. Alot of console players don't care for graphics. It can be said console players are better than PC players because they don't need fancy graphics for them to enjoy a good game. They can just play a game for what it is and not pretty graphics.

Mods. Again, who cares. People buy the game to play the game and not mods. Once the game is done for them, they move on, they don't need mods to keep playing again.

Cosnole. We can be saying the PC players have to cheat to play their game. Console players don't need to cheat to play their game. The excuse of having a console to get out of a glitch or not get stuck. Well alot of PC players don't know how to use the conosle so can't get out of the glitch anyways. Also, as a console player, I just use Rule Number One. Save Save Save and Save more often.

So as you can see, all it is, is a preference. The PC is really not better than the console to the Person who doesn't care for what one or the other can do.

Architecture consists of more than just the processor. As far as i know Intel still uses a memory bus on it's motherboards and AMD threw that out with the release of the AM2. It matters not that they have increased bus sizes, it's still a bottleneck.

Besides I'll take 3/4 of the power with 1/4 of the heat at half the price any old day of the week.

As I am ^^ .