What would you call "advlt"? six? Violence? Most "advlt" or "mature" content really just appeals to the pubascent crowd. And I myself am simply annoyed by female RPG-characters whose armor does not even seem to exist and whose briasts seem double the size of their heads.

Im 19 now but I have palyed Elder Scrolls games most my life. It would be a shame if someone's childhood is lacking because they are not old enough to play. An most children playing these games are usually more mature for their ages because they are always playing a mindless shotter such as a call of duty game.

I disagree, that's just a clichee. I am an advlt who enjoys romance and nudity in games that pretend to portray a society at this level.

I'd say that's quite a strong statement. I'm 27 and 'advlt' content appeals to me just fine. When I was in my teens, porm, violence and bad language was prevalent everywhere anyway, so it wasn't an appeal so to speak.


If I land a finishing blow with an axe and an arm dismembers... I think "wow, must have been a strong hit" not "OMGZz1! awesome blood!!"

If I annoy someone in game I'd rather they call me something offensive rather than a jerk.

I think someone else mentioned it in another thread, maybe a mod, but upon stumbling across a 'naked amazon tribe', I don't expect them... not to be naked!!


briast plates I can't speak for... never really noticed it.

I do agree with you on stronger language and cursing. People shouldnt really restrain themselves when talking to someone they intend to kill.

I think the target audience for TES should be 18+, but purely because it should be a serious, challenging and complex RPG with no hand-holding or childish gimmicks.

I DON'T however want to see any of the following things in TES:

• Foul language (simply because it doesn't fit my idea of a fantasy world)
  
• Relationships / six (again, doesn't suit a fantasy game)
  
• Really excessive gore (yes, there should be realistic blood and wounds... maybe even the occasional severed limb, but nothing overly excessive for the sake of being gorey)
  
• Childish crap like the six cards in the Witcher (more of a 15 year old's idea of maturity than an advlt's)

Voted for yes and I'm between 18-29.

Voted for yes but I just want a slightly more mature (dialogue, morals, romance) game not necessarily an excessive gore'n'violence a la Fallout.

I'm really confused with current trend of the games.

The more they show us violence and gore, the less they acknowledge us as advlt beings capable of thinking of our own and in no need of being hand held and nose lead.

And randomly some games indulge mature themes and some other games ignore them altogether.

This, basically. Although I have no problems with nudity or gore at any level in video games. It would not phase me one bit.

I want blood and six!

Yeah, mostly agree actually, i prefer a bit of comedy and light heartedness in my games, even the fantasy ones, dark grittyness can get pretty boring.

I agree that TES needs to be a challenging and complex and that it isnt intended to be for kids (i first played morrowind when i was 10 i was like ok i got off the boat... what now?)
but i have no problem with playing oblivion now i am a bit older. oblivion isnt a difficult game and if they made skyrim even more simpler (i dont like this) then it isnt that hard for children to play it.

and i totally agree with your list

Wait, Daggerfall was mature?

Sorry, but naked women everywhere and a verbose description of the Khajiit sixual organ, does not make an advlt game.
In fact it alarmingly sounds the opposite...

Nor does RPG complexity has anything to do with maturity...

I wouldn't want any mature themes just shoehorned in for the sake of being outrageous. But if it's relevant and adds to the realism, then I'm fine with full frontal nudity, detailed gore or explicit language.

Too bad for you. Sorry, i know that sounds cold but The Elder Scrolls isn't a child game in my opinion and i don't want to see Beth cut down on advlt content (and i am not just speaking about nudity here) so the kids can enjoy it. You will just have to wait. If your parrents is more concerned about a little nudity (lets face it, i don't think we will get hardcoe pormography or anything :laugh: ) than content like the Dark Brotherhood then i have a feeling that they either don't know what you are playing or have a very different idea about what is approaciate for children compared to me. I am not necessarily saying that a 14 year old shouldn't be allowed to play Oblivion, maturity vary, but it does seem a little odd to worry about nudity in games with quests like whodunit?



Well i can only speak for myself but i don't want unrealistic gore. I want realistic gore... though with some artistic freedom ofcause. But over the top gore like in Dragon Age II? No thanks.



But i think it does. Not in all games ofcause but i see games as a storytelling medium just like books, movies, tv series and comics, and when nudity make sense, i don't think developers should shy away from it. The greatest insult to games in my opinion, is to think of them as toys. Ofcause some games is, just like some movies and books. But just like them, they can also be more than that.

I hope that wasn't too rude but it sounded like you wanted to know why some people felt that way about gore and nudity.

Being an advlt game has nothing to do with nudity, gore or swearing, though all of these things can play a part in a mature game. Its all about the way the game treats its audience, and uses its themes.

Example. For the most part the Witcher did not use nudity in a mature way. It was largely used as a means to advertise and sell the game. On the other hand, the nudity in LA noire is an integral part of the game, and feels necessary.
As a rule I tend to find games with nudity, swearing and gore less mature than games without these "features".

Edit: Could someone post a list of games that they think are mature? (it doesn't matter whether these games are any good )

I might include

Braid
LA Noire
Fallout
Medieval Total War
Planescape Torment
Bioshock

Yes, but then i feel all games should be advlt games they are just so much better.

Well, I don't think that just because it has a M rating they should go wild with it. This would cause a whole lot of people to miss what is sure to be a amazing game. See when I was growing up I wasn't told I couldn't play a game because it's rated M. I was told I couldn't play a game because of what was listed. Things like Halo were ok, Grand Theft Auto, however was not.

Now I'm not saying that we need a near E rated game, nor am I staying it shouldn't be M. I'm just saying find a balance.

....boring and repetitive, since that whole "dark and advlt" thing is the big cliche right now?



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As a middle-aged advlt, generally past the "yeah! I'm 18! Bring on the [censored] and booze!" stage..... I'm fine with it as it is. :shrug:


And, trite as it may be.... we *do* have the "option" for extra nudity, violence, and other things that can't be discussed on the forum. It's called mods. And, yes, consoles can't do that. But if you really are an "average advlt" who wants "advlt" things in the game - good odds you've got a PC. Or can afford to get/make one, if you really care about this stuff that much.

Let's face it. A lot of games are moving into this direction nowadays, a bit more "maturity" can't hurt.

agreed

Of course, many uses of "mature" subject matter are quite immature. (Not saying LA Noire or Heavy Rain. But, say, you have to admit that Duke Nukem isn't trying to be "mature" with it's use of language & nudity. Of course, that's the game's style. Bulletstorm's another one, from what I've heard.)

And let's be honest - "deep storytelling" has never been a strong point in Bethesda games. So I wouldn't expect nudity / six / language to be more than gratuitous window dressing ("Look! [censored]! Drunk Nords cursing up a storm! Flying guts! See how edgy we are?"). And considering that's not really the "style" of the TES games I've played, I wouldn't really think it would add anything.

advlt does not just mean six scenes and body parts flying around...especially Oblivion does look and feel like Cinderellas Garden to me and not like a real medieval style fantasy world (as intended)...everybody is nice and healthy...pink flowers all over the place...even the highwayman are friendly ...no rude language...no prosttutes...no pest and leprosy...no bad landlords taking the last food from the peasants before winter comes...no burning witches...no torture...just try to imagine how medieval or ancient times were in reality..or take the Oblivion crisis and then have a look at what orks in LOTR or the darkspawn in DA do to the people.....

Look at how they have dumbed down the series since Morrowind and ask yourself do you REALLY think the target audience will ever be advlts?

It won't happen, ever.

Should it be? Wouldn't bother me if it were.