I'm mainly curious more than anything.

We see these topics on nudity, children, dismemberment, foul language etc. and everyone seems to get up in arms about it.


However, I'm under the strong belief that TES should be more of an 'advlt' game. I know this a fantasy RPG, but I believe there's plenty of RPG/Action games out there for kids. Ala Zelda. Don't get me wrong on this, I loved Zelda: Ocarina of time, and think it's one of the best games of all time. I was playing it first came out and would happily play it again now at the age of 27.

However, the games I tend to enjoy the most have advlt themes to them. Not because I need some fix of violence, nudity or swearing, but more because it adds a sense of realism to the game. Take RDR, Heavy Rain, LA Noire, Uncharted, MGS 4 etc. In my opinion, they didn't play on the advlt bandwagon, but simply acknowledged the general audience would be 18+

I appreciate that Bethesda are pitching to the widest audience. It's only good business sense, and I do understand that mods will rectify most of anyone's concerns.

I don't plan on going around trying to dismember people, or take off their armour to take a look at their tallywackers, but I believe the option should be there if I so choose to!

My question is about the vanilla copy of Skyrim. Am I the only one that believes it should be a more advlt orientated game? Try to keep it clean and not descend into a flame war.

I would like it to be mature like Daggerfall.

Yes, I would like more advlt content but (un)luckily I'm not their target audience.

Same

I never got to play Daggerfall, what could you do, that you couldn't do in MW/OB?

I feel it's fine as it is, i get enough realistic misery in my real life

Daggerfall :hubbahubba:

There were no really more mature things you could DO, but you could watch. :hubbahubba:

Quoted for truth. I wish they were more open to mature themes, I mean the game gets rated mature anyway, why not speculate things that can make the game world more believable. In a society like that one you could safely assume that along with the violence and corruption that are already well depicted in the game, there must be nudity, romance, prostitution, torture, shades of grey in moral alignments and choices.

Honestly I don't see it being that big of a deal. Swearing and crap is fine honestly I don't see why it is a big deal but as for nudity well thats a bit more advlt for their audience.

And I like how you said 'heavy rain' as if it was an example of a good game. NICE JOKE!

I think Elder Scrolls, regardless of it's M rating, is very classy when it plays out without being too vulgar. Skryim is a rugged place, though, so I would imagine burly Nords getting a little too touchy with a barmaid and whatnot. They don't need to talk up a [censored]-storm like they did in Fallout to make a great game, but it worked in Fallout due to the time period. Heck, I would be cursing up a storm if I was a survivor in a desolate place like the wasteland...

Any type of advlt content is fine if it adds to the realism. Of course certain things can't be there by law, even though they would bring more realism. Nudity isn't one of them to be honest (nvde mods give less realism if anything), but if we're talking about adding a more advlt style similar to the games you listed, I'm all for it. The advltishness (if that's a word) in those games added very deeply to the storyline I think, so that type of style would be great for Skyrim.

I doubt Skyrim will get a teen rating. I'm happy with a mature rating. I certainly wouldn't want it "advlt-oriented".

I'd certainly like it to be a game for advlts but to me that means intelligent well-written quests, moral ambiguity etc not buckets of gore, continual swearing or excessive sixual content. I would like some romance and sixual allusion but nothing too in your face.

TES lore and open world style combined with a more dark and advlt fantasy style like in Witcher, Gothic and DA....this would it be...

I agree. The Argonians should swear in a weird language that you can't understand. Something like "foul smelling ape" except that you don't understand the words.

I am 14 years old and my favorite game is oblivion. If bethesda would add nudity and extreme gore then my parents wouldnt allow me to play the game
why do people want extreme gore and nudity in games? it is an rpg so why unrealistic gore... also nudity doesnt belong in games (I think)
EDIT: there is no problem with swearing, kids all know most swear words so...

For me, the mature theme would be a bit more different. Not so much loads of swearing/nudity/violence but just more of a 'darker' grittier kind of game. The same sort of difference you can see between most US and UK films. (Not all, most) Where the latter just always appeals to me more. Be it done through the plot or the general game world it self. I've always loved the games with a darker feel to them, though I know they're really not for most.

Considering that the average age of a game player is 35 yes it should.

You are 14, I get where you're coming from. However, "if you want X go watch Y" is not very constructive in this particular discussion. We already know we can get mature themes in other games/movies, but that's the case with other components of TES as well.

i dont really get this... sorry i just dont understand :rolleyes:
i was joking with the "if you want X go watch Y"

Yes to more advlt I say. It's ridiculous to hold back when it comes to nudity or player-to-npc romance as long as the game features horrible cold blooded murders, theft and whatnot.

Personally, they don't have to hold back on anything for me. I'm over 18, and love advlt content.

Its fine as it is.

This...and more mature conversations. Hated conversations like "Look at the muscles on you!". Or "What's wrong? Is the baby gonna cry?" :flamethrower:

Was using Heavy Rain as an example of a mature themed game.

This. I don't want things graphical like the Witcher, I just want the overall level of maturity increased.

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