PS3 uses blu-ray so it's not a problem for PS3 if TESV won't take more place than a blu-ray is able to handle.

On a PC, the disk-changing will only happen during install, so it's really not a problem there either.

This would only be a problem on the Xbox 360, if changing disks can really be considered that much a problem.

My conclusion is that if playing with several disks bothers you, you should play the PS3 version or the PC version.

Well, not everyone has a gaming PC, X-box 360 and a Ps3. If only Microsoft would jump on the blu-ray band wagon we could all be happy.

Bethesda actually has good compression tech. It's why games like the GOTY edition of Fallout 3 fit on a single DVD, while Bioware can't even fit ME2 on the same.

If this tech has improved along with all their other tech, I wouldn't be surprised at all if TESV (and even its inevitable GOTY edition) still fit on one DVD.

If Microsoft did that you'd still need to buy a new Xbox... or get it upgraded or something. So if you had a decent computer or a PS3, it would not be worth it.

I agree 100%. I would actually love it if TES V came on multiple disks that we just install and then play via Disk 1 (with no disk swapping like ME 2). There'd be no reason for them to hold back content.

No this would be a really bad idea if they were able to get Oblivion on one disk then they should have no problem getting ESV on one disk even if they don't use Gamebryo for ESV. I really wouldn't want to keep switching disks and it wouldn't fit with the Elder Scrolls series.

Oblivion is 4 years old. A new game would most likely require a lot more disk space. I would probably be more of a problem to fit TESV on one disc, than it was for Oblivion.

I just hope that they won't nerf the game just to make it fit one DVD. If they do, I hope it will only affect the Xbox instead of making the game worse on the other platforms that would be able to handle a larger game.

If it can be bought from Steam then it makes no difference how big it is. Rather, bigger is better.

Wouldn't mind seeing a PC exclusive game, ported to consoles only when the new generations are out.

Honestly, I would be seriously upset with Bethesda if that was the case. I personally dislike the whole "ooh, I have X console and I get exclusive content for X amount of time" I have PC friends and Ps3 friends that I don't want to have to wait to play the great content I'm playing on my X-box 360. We're all gamers here and we should all get an even playing field.

Oh yeah sure now look at the perspective of a pc owner hey look at me im a pc owner and im using my console commands and mods to enhance my game play lololooloololol console owners cant do this lawl omg its so unfair that they get content faster then us man even though they will never be able to mod.

I remember how we went from a couple of games on a single low capacity floppy disk to a dozen of 1.44 Mb floppy disks for a single game, then from half empty CD (the first CD game I bought doesn't even take 30 Mo. It's called Master of Magic and is still one of my favorite games ever) to many CDROM per games.

The DVD is already at its limits. More and more top ends games will need more than one DVD. Sony already moved to a another format with a bigger storage capacity and it's only a matter of time before the other consoles and PC games do the same.
By the time TES5 is released, most of us will have already experienced multi DVD games, so no one would be surprised if the game didn't fit on a single DVD.

Voices is probably that takes up most space. In both Oblivion and Fallout 3 it takes a almost half the disc space. Now it would be no problem increasing it to get more dialogue options and unique voices. With a 50% increase in coding, meshes and textures and a doubling in voices you would start to run out of space.
However you can compress voices pretty well as they don't use very high sound frequency compared to music, not sure how compressed the voices are now.
Has no issue with multiple discs, is this game very playable on a console with no hard drive anyway with all the cell loading? would guess it would be lots of waiting each time you enter a house or dungeon.

I disagree on not being able to mod, we can to some extent.Friend of mine has this fancy thing to which you can add races and other stuff to his game.Also in Fallout 3 for the 360 he modded my harddrive to where I can drop full flegded trees wherever I want.Its alot more useful then it sounds btw.

Let's also not forget that Oblivion is 4.6gb while Red Dead Redemption is 6.7gb on a single disc. That means that there was at least an additional 2.1gb they totally wasted. That's room enough for double the voice acting, or whatever you want in any other field.

Voice files might be a big elephant, but everything else is like ants, one elephant limits the number of other big animals you can have in that cage, but it doesn't pose much of a limit on any ants or insects you can put in the cage.

In any case, for the reasons you've provided, and the reasons I've presented, I don' think we have a need for multiple discs just yet.

I have the *4* CD version of Planescape Torment. What that means is either doing a work-around full install or buying the GOG version. Switching discs mid-game is doable, but majorly unfun. I don't see it as a viable approach in the current environment. For one thing, can you imagine Microsoft agreeing to have such a major negative attach to the Xbox version? An install + a play disc on the other hand works fine, assuming there is a need for a second disc.

The PC and PS3 version of the Game will have no issue since they either instal fully or have lots of space on Blue Ray. As for the 360 Version fitting on 1 disk since the Oblivion GOTY had a 2nd that fully installed I expect that would be the same format that Beth would use again. Personally I hope that the Land mass and NPC content (including full voice acting) is so Large that 2 disks are requied to fit this game. Make the game huge and Fun!!

I don't care if they use a 100 disks, as long as the game will be to the standard and technological-ingenious that we have come to expect from Beth, I'm happy to install all the disks it needs. Quality over quantity.

Well, 100 is a bit over-the-top, though, don't you think? Installing and keeping track of 100 disks would be a pain in the ass, and what if some problem requires reinstallation?

They'll definitely be using either Steam or GFWL, almost every new game is, hopefully this time they'll go with the lesser of the two evils. But yes that was a bit of hyperbole on my part.

Well IIRC the second disc in the GOTY version of Oblivion was just for installing the DLC. You didn't have to switch back and forth. TBH I'm not even sure if disc switching would even work in a Beth game. Just thinking about it what information would you need in only certain parts of the game that would require a disc switch? I understand in more linear games there are voice files, textures, actors, music, objects, and quest information that you won't see until a certain point, but Bethesda games aren't built like that. You can pretty much go anywhere anytime, and even the main quests and side quests usually take place in area's you've already been to, save for some special locations.

So realistically the only way I could see having multiple discs would just be to install content, which I don't think they would do that with any important gameplay features seeing as not everybody has the space on their gaming system.

So getting the best possible game is not your priority, but rather all gamers getting a good or adequate game at the same time? What's your rush? If TES5 came out in 2-3 years, there might even be a next console generation out soon after that, and future console players would be getting a GOTY edition right off the bat, like the case was with Morrowind. If TES5 was made near perfect, which atm is pretty much possible on PC only*, it would dominate sales as a console version, even if it would be a few years old by that time.

I'd like to play Demons Souls and Heavy Rain but don't own a PS3. I might buy one in the next 10 years or so, or might not.

Sorry if I'm hard to follow right now.

*considering that TES is a sandbox series, and a 'near perfect' TES5 would be closer the size of TES2 rather than TES4.

Yes. About 10 of them sounds just about right. :goodjob:

Any number is fine as long as it isn't Dependant on Steam.

I think it is the developers priority to deliver the best possible game on the platforms they choose. Bethesda Game Studious is a multi-platform developer. That being the case I think it would be a little silly for any platform to get it before another. A month or so difference is fine, but not years. Especially considering TES fans wait patiently for their favorite franchise as it is.
Don't get me wrong though, I don't think "waiting" for quality games is a problem, I believe games should be released when they are done. Not just to meet a date. There is just no reason for them to literally cut off their fans on one platform they've already delivered on.

As for your examples of Demon Souls and Heavy Rain are slightly invalid. As those are "exclusives" to the Ps3. Where as The Elder Scrolls series is multi-platform.
I do agree though, I would like to play them, but I'm not going to buy a Ps3 just for that.
Also we, that meaning console users. Did not have to wait until the Goty of Morrowind. We got the vanilla version one month after the PC. Something like that would be fine, as I said. I just think us having to wait for the next generation of console would be kinda mean. Especially since Sony and Microsoft are trying to lengthen the life of console cycles. (which is great)

In short. I want the best TES game possible for all TES fans. Plus, you PC guys can mod to your hearts content. So be happy with that. :hugs:

Discs? Oh please. I'd much rather they just keep out the XBox and release a massive game on the PC and PS3 (The latter is optional, but it is BD compatible.) I'm gonna pre-order it on Steam anyway, and with my connection I will have it ready for release even if preload starts just 24 hours before launch and the game takes 30GB. More data usually means more content, especially when you're dealing with a studio as established as BGS.

EDIT: I guess what my point is that with TB Harddrives in almost every PC today, and those of us prioritising speed higher than capacity being able to do HDD management, it is holding developers back if they start worrying about disc space to the point where they try keeping it under 8GB or whatever the capacity of DL-DVDs is. The PS3's BD-drive, the future prospect of most PC owners acquiring BD drives and Steam all mean that space is becoming a non-issue, which is probably why you see >15GB (or even 20GB) games more frequently. If trends are anything to go by, discs, at least for PC gaming, are going to become almost completely redundant.