Should the Dwemer Return?

Post » Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:31 pm

No.

Dwemer would have no purpose in coming back. Plus its practically impossible for them to come back, so if they did Beth would be breaking their own lore and that's a no no.
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Post » Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:26 pm

They could always do a game set in an alternate universe where The Dwemer and The Aldmeri Dominion (who are both technologically advanced races that have reached the limits of where science and technology can take them) are fighting for control over an artifact said to contain limitless knowledge and power. An artifact that the Daedric Prince of Order, Jyggalag, plans to claim for himself and use to conquer all realities once the two warring factions have become far too weak to resist him. Provided the time-lost Champion of Hermaeus Mora doesn't stop him first.
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:14 am

Actually i have a theory..***!!!!!!!SPOILER!!!!!!!***






























[At the end of skyrims main quest you find out that alduin never died, but was send forward in time using the elder scrolls. I believe something similar happened to the dwemer. Something like they were pushed forward, or that theyre locked in a different plane.]
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:18 am

Actually i have a theory..***!!!!!!!SPOILER!!!!!!!***
Spoiler
[At the end of skyrims main quest you find out that alduin never died, but was send forward in time using the elder scrolls. I believe something similar happened to the dwemer. Something like they were pushed forward, or that theyre locked in a different plane.]
I like it!
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:39 am

Anf APPARENTLY already HAS happened. IN SKYRIM. Alduin was killed, destroyed, dragonrended and elder scroll deaded FOREVER. That's the "lore" of course, the "lore" was only partially correct, as all "lore" tends to be. There is absolutely nothing stopping BGS from having the Dwemer return. Nothing. Could be as simple as they were pushed forward in time/space, like Alduin. Heck, it could even be a Mobius strip of time... mind blowing metaphysics here... the Dwemer are actually future beings, and always have been (that would explain MANY things) who overlapped time to come BACK to the era where they could use the Heart of Lorkhan to bring about the future they already knew had to exist. The existed in both timelines, in other words, simultaneously. They're not the initial splinter of Altmer and Dwemer, they're the founders of the entire Mer peoples, the original "ancient" race. BUT, they only came about originally in the FUTURE as a curse placed upon humans by a "god", forever changing many of their race. The reason? The attempted extermination of the Mer people that started with the ancient nords and snow elves. In the future, the Dwemer know this, and know they have to go back in time to cause this to come about or they will never be in the first place. Fiendishly clever as they are, they find a way to do this and voila, we have the Mobius strip. The Dwemer still exist, because they never stopped existing, they never BEGAN to exist. Then, hop forward to "real" dwemer time and you have a TES splinter/spinoff (in an era where all Elder Scrolls are thought destroyed) to a Steam-punky type of world, a world where Dwemer rule, other Mer are working class, and humans are barely more than cattle, cannon fodder, and slaves.

There are SO many ways in which the Dwemer can BE that do not break the lore that, IMO, it's only a matter of time.

Nope, not for me. I see WAY too many differences between the Dwemer and the World Eater, Alduin.

Just seems like it'd be Days of Our Lives to me. :shrug:

Edit: Just read the post about alternate universes to get the Dwemer back. That would get confusing. Then we'd have like TES VI: Tamriel - Universe #1 and TES VI: Tamriel- Universe #2 ick.
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:27 am

If they bring back the Dwemer...it will not end well. It'll be Dawnguard all over again.
Its already been explained on what happened to them.

Those ideas would be better off as an AR situation rather than lore. (Alternate Reality)
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Post » Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:04 pm

Anf APPARENTLY already HAS happened. IN SKYRIM. Alduin was killed, destroyed, dragonrended and elder scroll deaded FOREVER. That's the "lore" of course, the "lore" was only partially correct, as all "lore" tends to be.

Actually, the people knew that Alduin was going to return. That's why they have the prophecy of the Last Dragonborn. Alduin's Wall shows full well that the Joor knew they hadn't seen the last of Alduin, and that the dreaded World Eater was going to return. Paarthurnax knew it too. Even at the end of the game, people make it very clear that it's unlikely that Alduin has been "deaded FOREVER" as you put it.

The circumstances surrounding Alduin's first defeat (and even his second) and the Dwemer's disappearance are very different from one another, and I don't think you can accurately use one scenario as foundation for a similar instance.

It's one thing for our character to travel to wherever they went, it's quite another for them to come back.
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:02 am

i don't want the dwemer to return. I rather they shed some more light on talos and tiber septim with an talos inspired dlc
where you can find out the truth about talos and tiber septim or maybe you can restore the nine divines. they could call it: restoration of the nine or the truth of talos
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Post » Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:08 pm

They are better off as TES boogeymen IMO influencing the games with their ruins and lore, but not really that intereted in them coming back, unless they could be implemented in some time travel DLC....mmmm that sounds like fun
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:19 am

i don't want the dwemer to return. I rather they shed some more light on talos and tiber septim with an talos inspired dlc
where you can find out the truth about talos and tiber septim or maybe you can restore the nine divines. they could call it: restoration of the nine or the truth of talos

That's not such a bad idea. the whole Talos thing. It could go into the whole Thalmor thing and all that. That could possibly be a good sized dlc. Nice, I like it.
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:46 am

That's not such a bad idea. the whole Talos thing. It could go into the whole Thalmor thing and all that. That could possibly be a good sized dlc. Nice, I like it.
i knew some one pick up on where i was going with this
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Post » Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:59 pm

Not interested in them ever coming back at all.
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Post » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:29 pm

That's not such a bad idea. the whole Talos thing. It could go into the whole Thalmor thing and all that. That could possibly be a good sized dlc. Nice, I like it.

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Post » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:52 pm

Having read a good few of the books lying around, the Dwemner are either all dead or all in another plane.
Would be easy enough to have them return as an even higher technological race intent on smacking up their old enemies (now Dumner) and all who stand in their way.
Including the Deadra that they mocked with their belief in science over deity worship.

Needs to be a whole new game to fit that in, or a decent sized DLC. Although I am leaning towards game as they wouldn't be returning to Skyrim with it's low amount of Dumner to slaughter.
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:33 am

Personally, after listening to Heimskr shouting about him so much, if I ever met Talos in game, I'd probably kill him out of spite (I've never played any other TES game, so I know nothing about Talos tbh).

As for the Dwemer returning, here's a vague idea of how it could work, and it's inspired by the Snow Elves and the quest "Lost to the Ages."

Perhaps the Falmer finally attack the surface, there's raids and skirmishes, and neither the empire, the stormcloaks, or the Thalmor are ready to handle this swarm. So your character goes to meet Gelebor, the last-known Snow Elf and ask him for help (would be nice if you got bonus dialogue etc for having Serana with you, as she was clearly amazed by the Snow Elf magic and so on). He refuses to take part in the wholesale slaughter of what was once his kind, and then you point out that if the Falmer are not stopped, any and all remaining Snow Elves will also be wiped out eventually. So, of course, he chooses to help, and the two (or three) of you set out.

You then go to a newly discovered Dwemer ruin that is being excavated by Calcemo and his team, and you offer to go in and "secure it" but you're actually going in because it's apparently filled with Aetherium constructs and weapons, devices powerful enough to push back, if not wipe out the Falmer. What you find down there is instead a Snow Elf city, housed by many of Gelebor's race, and he is welcomed among them, and so are you (as you're his companions, they are willing to trust you). The Snow Elves are unaware of what is going on outside, as they have kept themselves in voluntary seclusion since their decimation centuries ago.

They have learned much of the Dwemer's technology and inform you that a great deal of the city is sealed off, as it is dangerous, so you naturally all decide to go. You venture deeper down and find a strange prototype device called a "Warp Gate" that can only be powered by Aetherium or Aetherium items, and supposedly has the power to teleport you anywhere in Tamriel, or even to other realms. So you use either your Aetherium Crest or item, and it opens up a doorway to another realm, and you go through. And there are the Dwemer, all of them, trapped in eternal stasis, but fully conscious. Never aging, and never free.

The Dwemer then offer to help you in return for being freed, and you can agree. At the end of it, however, you can agree with Gelebor that the Dwemer deserve to be punished for all they've done, and betray the Dwemer, or refuse and keep your word, thus helping them finally return to Tamriel.



Keep in mind I was making this up as I went, so if there's no way this could happen in the lore, I'm sorry, but I've only ever played Skyrim and I've still not got round to reading all of the in game books.
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:51 am

We know what happened to the Dwemer and with Numidiums destruction their return is impossible. Perhaps meeting some who survived like Yagrum Bagarn in another plane but the return of their race as a whole? No, never.
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:32 am

Weird idea but they could have a situation where what ever the dwemer did began to happen all across the world. People slowly disappearing. Rather than a return, using an elder scroll to see just exactly what had happened to them, and how to keep it from repeating.

Maybe some powerful mage attempting their experiment?

I don't know much about then so this idea may be stupid, but just throwing it out there
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:00 am

Weird idea but they could have a situation where what ever the dwemer did began to happen all across the world. People slowly disappearing. Rather than a return, using an elder scroll to see just exactly what had happened to them, and how to keep it from repeating.

Maybe some powerful mage attempting their experiment?

I don't know much about then so this idea may be stupid, but just throwing it out there

Arniel Gane already attempted the experiment, and he vanished to wherever the Dwemer went (presumably).
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:31 am

Maybe some powerful mage attempting their experiment?

Skyrim already has that sidequest. I don't think we need to see it again as a MQ, either in a DLC or a whole game.

Edit: Ninja'd. Shouldn't type with just a pinky.
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:30 am

I find the very thought of them coming back just, strange.

But anyway, I don't see why they would come back or how. It's best to just keep it a mystery. Everything must have some kind of mystery that we will never uncover.
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Post » Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:05 pm

We know what happened to the Dwemer and with Numidiums destruction their return is impossible. Perhaps meeting some who survived like Yagrum Bagarn in another plane but the return of their race as a whole? No, never.
agree. the numidium is the dwemer
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:14 am

No. We already know enough about their dissapearance. They're gone. Not coming back. FINAL.
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:29 am

As a whole race "somewhere"or even some Tamriel-living guys: - big BIG no.

As for the encounter in the realm/s of Oblivion: yes, but only when cleverly executed.

Not: "Wow. I've stubled on them while searching for tis "random enchanted leveled s(N'wah!)t" in the "random cave" in the "random realm" by doing the quest for the 2nd grade random NPC while they were fighting 2 rats".
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Post » Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:47 pm

It is rumored.
Not sure about other followers,but Jenassa says while in dwemer ruins:
"There are some who believe the dwemer will one day suddenly reappear,the same way they vanished".
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:29 am

i don't want the dwemer to return. I rather they shed some more light on talos and tiber septim with an talos inspired dlc
where you can find out the truth about talos and tiber septim or maybe you can restore the nine divines. they could call it: restoration of the nine or the truth of talos

True, I want to find out whether Arcturian Heresy is true or not.
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