Should the Dwemer Return?

Post » Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:37 pm

Give me your thoughts.
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N Only WhiTe girl
 
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:44 am

dam yes they have been away to long.
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Cat Haines
 
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:21 am

I would like them to come back......Only so I can Kill them for what they did to the snow elves :devil:
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:10 am

[censored] no. That would be lame if they returned.
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Alister Scott
 
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:04 am

Give me your thoughts.

I think that would be a pretty good basis for a main questline for a game even. It could even give a plotline reason for a return to Morrowind and we players could see the aftermath of Tribunal firsthand.
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:03 am

Something Dwemer related would be nice. Maybe a Dwemer city or location that was left untouched and undiscovered, or something that would allow us to see just where they went or maybe speak to an actual Dwemer one way or the other. Exploring the ruins was always fun for me, but there still seems to be enough mystery surrounding them that more could be done with them to develop an interesting experience.
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Post » Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:26 pm

No, it would mean that Bethesda has completely run out of good ideas and didn't care about their lore at all, if this ever happens I will never buy an Elder Scrolls game again. The Dwemer became the skin of a giant stompy robot, their not coming back. Also to the comment above mine, you can already speak to a Dwemer.... buy Morrowind and go to Tel Fyr....
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:08 am

For the vivek-knows witch time im writing this...

LEAVE THE DWEMER ALONE
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:39 am

Not interested in them ever coming back at all.
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:51 am

I only have a morbid curiousity just to see how badly Bethesda would write their return, but that's the only real reason I would be slightly interested, and I'd still be pretty annoyed if they did.
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:00 am

No, it would mean that Bethesda has completely run out of good ideas and didn't care about their lore at all, if this ever happens I will never buy an Elder Scrolls game again. The Dwemer became the skin of a giant stompy robot, their not coming back. Also to the comment above mine, you can already speak to a Dwemer.... buy Morrowind and go to Tel Fyr....

I disagree completely. I understand the metaphysics behind what occurred and love the lore.

Am I saying I want a return of them to Tamriel? No.
What I would like to see is something else. Perhaps more about what exactly happened at the mountain. What occurred with the race when the heart was struck with the artifacts. I wouldn't mind an excursion to an Oblivion realm to find more answers.

As for Beth "running out of ideas" and using it as a cop-out... I disagree again. I love the lore concerning the Dwemer. Always have.

Furthermore... I would LOVE to have a future content of some sort outlining exactly what became of the Neravarine once he left Morrowind.

My thoughts :biggrin:
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Post » Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:37 pm

i just want to learn why they dissapeared
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:11 am


As for Beth "running out of ideas" and using it as a cop-out... I disagree again. I love the lore concerning the Dwemer. Always have.


I would like to see them as a DLC, you have a scroll that disrupts time you could use it to go back to the age of the Dwemer and get caught up in their demise, lots of fertile ground there.
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:17 am

i just want to learn why they dissapeared

Didn't they try and unmake themselves using the Heart of Lorkhan?

Even though I'd rather not do this, I'd prefer if we went to wherever the Dwemer were sent, rather than having them return to Nirn. That would be much more interesting to me.
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Post » Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:21 pm

I'd like TES 6 to be war between the empire and Thalmar and one side is dominating the other so badly that you're forced to go looking for the Dwemer as a last ditch effort-only to discover that they are all gone-and forcing you to return with a dwemer Weapon of Mass Destruction to use for your faction to win the war.

In short: I don't want the Dwemer to come back bar a really good reason to bring them back, however I wouldn't mind more dwemer related content done to only deepen the mystery that is their existence.
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:33 am

i just want to learn why they dissapeared
They struck the Heart of Lorkhan with keening and sundering and disappeard, it is possible they we're teleported to Aetherious the realm of magic. If by chance they did make it to Aetherious they could not make it back to Tamriel because they been in an aedric realm too long. This doesn't mean the main character can't travel back and forth between the two just like the Soul Cairn.
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:44 am

i wouldn't mind if they came back but that would break the lore on them... and it was already stated why or how come they vanished
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:10 am

If they came back wouldn't that be a retcon? I don't think we need any more of those.
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:37 am

i just want to learn why they dissapeared

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/final-report-trebonius
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:20 am

Yes, they could come back... and get killed.. then come back... and get killed.. then come back.


And these, are the Days of Our Lives...

Or at least, that's what it would remind me of. The Dwemer are gone. They don't just come back, that only happens on daytime tv.
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Post » Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:47 pm

No. There disappearance is better left as a mystery.

If you want to find out more about them, read the in game books.

Here's three, they're also available in Skyrim:

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/dwemer-inquiries


Here are two qoutes from Vivec a God King, talking about the disappearance on the Dwemer:

"I have no idea what happened to the Dwemer. I have no sense of them in the timeless divine world outside of mortal time. And, in fact, if I did believe they existed, I would be in no hurry to make contact with them. They may, with some justice, hold the Dunmer race responsible for their fate. My intuition is that they are gone forever -- and that is perfectly fine with me."

"The sin of the Dwemer was the creation of a new god from the substance of a dead god, Lorkhan. That is also the sin for which we would destroy Dagoth Ur. I hesitate to call it 'sin'. More properly, call it 'destructive evil'. The sin of the Tribunal, however, is in the breaking of an oath to Azura to forebear from tapping the Heart with Kagrenac's tools, and in the folly of seeking to become gods. Breaking the oath was evil. Becoming gods was folly. If we sinned, we have paid the price."


A quote from Diyvath Fyr a 4,000 year old Dunmer wizard:


First and foremost, one must ask themselves, were the dwemer a carefree or a careless race? Were they tolerable or were they tyrants? Did they create machines of offensive or defensive? What *IS* known is, they were great inventors of machine and construct. Magic was not favored by them, but it is rumored that there was some practice within their numbers. Did the Tribunal fear them? We know that in order for the Tribunal to gain their "God-Men" Power, they had to defeat the Dwemer to recover what they had in their possession. It is not very likely that the Tribunal feared the Dwemer, they simply feared what the dwemer could become. Afterall, an entire race that was as poswerful as the small Tribunal would be quite a power to be reconned with.
Their disappearance is still a mystery that grows deeper and deeper with every step taken forward. We know that *ALL* Dwemer (with the exception of my good friend Yagrum) vanished when Kagrenac struck the Heart with his tools. Where they went is the true mystery. Many theories say they were transported to Oblivion. Quite a harsh place to *want* to go, if that was their plan. It is possible they went somewhere by accident. It is even possible they just ceased to exist at all. The idea that they are lost in time is quite new to me. I highly doubt that since the laws behind time would govern us to not even recall they even existed. Trully something supernatural, indeed. I *DO* know what happened, but in all reality, I do NOT know where they have gone or is they are in all truth, dead.

Here's an excerpt from the Vivec's version of what happened at Red Mountain:


Once the Nords were driven out, General Nerevar of the Chimer and General Dumac of the Dwemer, who had come to love and respect one another, resolved to make peace between their peoples. In that time I was but a junior counselor to Nerevar, and Nerevar's queen, Almalexia, and his other favorite counselor, Sotha Sil, always doubted that such a peace might long survive, given the bitter disputes between Chimer and Dwemer, but by negotiation and compromise, Nerevar and Dumac somehow managed to preserve a fragile peace.
But when Dagoth Ur, Lord of House Dagoth, and trusted as a friend by both Nerevar and the Dwemer, brought us proof that High Engineer Kagrenac of the Dwemer had discovered the Heart of Lorkhan, and that he had learned how to tap its powers, and was building a new god, a mockery of Chimer faith and a fearsome weapon, we all urged Nerevar to make war on the Dwarves and to destroy this threat to Chimer beliefs and security. Nerevar was troubled. He went to Dumac and asked if what Dagoth Ur said was true. But Kagrenac took great offense, and asked whom Nerevar thought he was, that he might presume to judge the affairs of the Dwemer.
Nerevar was further troubled, and made pilgrimage to Holamayan, the sacred temple of Azura, and Azura confirmed that all that Dagoth Ur said was indeed true and that the creation of a New God of the Dwemer should be prevented at all costs. When Nerevar came back and told us what the goddess had said, we felt our judgements confirmed, and again counseled him to war, chiding Nerevar for his naive trust in friendship, and reminding Nerevar of his duty to protect the faith and security of the Chimer against the impiety and dangerous ambitious of the Dwemer.
Then Nerevar went back to Vvardenfell one last time, hoping that negotiations and compromise might once again preserve the peace. But this time the friends Nerevar and Dumac quarreled bitterly, and as a result, the Chimer and Dwemer went to war.
The Dwemer were well-defended by their fortress at Red Mountain, but Nerevar's cunning drew most of Dumac's armies out into the field and pinned them there, while Nerevar, Dagoth Ur, and a small group of companions could make their way into the Heart Chamber by secret means. There, Nerevar the Chimer King met Dumac the Dwarf King and they both collapsed from grievous wounds and draining magics. With Dumac fallen, and threatened by Dagoth Ur and others, Kagrenac turned his tools upon the Heart, and Nerevar said he saw Kagrenac and all his Dwemer companions at once disappear from the world. In that instant, Dwemer everywhere disappeared without a trace. But Kagrenac's tools remained, and Dagoth Ur seized them, and he carried them to Nerever, saying, "That fool Kagrenac has destroyed his own people with these things. We should destroy them, right away, lest they fall into the wrong hands."
But Nerevar was resolved to confer with his queen and his generals, who had foreseen that this war would come and whose counsel he would not ignore again. "I will ask the Tribunal what we shall do with them, for they have had wisdom in the past that I had not. Stay here, loyal Dagoth Ur, until I return." So Nerevar told Dagoth Ur to protect the tools and the Heart Chamber until he returned.
Then Nerevar was carried to us where we waited on the slopes of Red Mountain, and he told us all that had transpired under Red Mountain. What Nerevar had said was that the Dwemer had used special tools to turn their people into immortals and that the Heart of Lorkhan held wondrous powers. [Only later did we hear from others present that Dagoth Ur had thought the Dwemer destroyed, not made immortal. And no one knows for sure what really happened there.]
After hearing Nerevar, we gave our counsel as he requested, proposing, "We should preserve these tools in trust for the welfare of the Chimer people. And who knows, perhaps the Dwemer are not gone forever, but merely transported to some distant realm, from which they may some day return to threaten our security once again. Therefore, we need to keep these tools, to study them and their principles, so that we may be safe in future generations."


A qoute from the Last Living Dwemer:

The Disappearance of the Dwemer is one of the greatest mysteries of Tamriel. Yagrum says that he was in the Outer Realm at the time, and when he came back, his people were gone. Bagarn once said, "Lord Kagrenac, the foremost arcane philosopher and magecrafter of my era, devised tools to shape mythopoeic forces, intending to transcend the limits of Dwemer mortality. However, in reviewing his formulae, some logicians argued that side effects were unpredictable, and errors might be catastrophic. I think Kagrenac might have succeeded in granting our race eternal life, with unforeseen consequences -- such as wholesale displacement to an Outer Realm. Or he may have erred, and utterly destroyed our race."
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Post » Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:23 pm

Something Dwemer related would be nice. Maybe a Dwemer city or location that was left untouched and undiscovered, or something that would allow us to see just where they went or maybe speak to an actual Dwemer one way or the other. Exploring the ruins was always fun for me, but there still seems to be enough mystery surrounding them that more could be done with them to develop an interesting experience.

Since Bethesda really likes to begin all their TES games (at least Oblivion and Skyrim) with the PC being held captive or prisoner, it might be neat to start the next installment as a prisoner of a Long-Lost and Forgotten Dwemer Kingdom that you stumbled into while excavating. In the character creation you'd be standing at a gate waiting to be thrown into a gladiator ring to fight for your life against a masked Dwemer.
They could also open up the Dwemer race to the PC, changing the beginning story to the opposite gate where you play the masked Dwemer warrior.

Something like that might be neat :D
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Post » Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:41 pm

No. I like the mystery of their race.
I like it to remain that way, in the unknown.
Besides, if Diyvath Fyr does not know, nobody knows :P
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Post » Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:59 pm

Yes, they could come back... and get killed.. then come back... and get killed.. then come back.


And these, are the Days of Our Lives...

Or at least, that's what it would remind me of. The Dwemer are gone. They don't just come back, that only happens on daytime tv.

Anf APPARENTLY already HAS happened. IN SKYRIM. Alduin was killed, destroyed, dragonrended and elder scroll deaded FOREVER. That's the "lore" of course, the "lore" was only partially correct, as all "lore" tends to be. There is absolutely nothing stopping BGS from having the Dwemer return. Nothing. Could be as simple as they were pushed forward in time/space, like Alduin. Heck, it could even be a Mobius strip of time... mind blowing metaphysics here... the Dwemer are actually future beings, and always have been (that would explain MANY things) who overlapped time to come BACK to the era where they could use the Heart of Lorkhan to bring about the future they already knew had to exist. The existed in both timelines, in other words, simultaneously. They're not the initial splinter of Altmer and Dwemer, they're the founders of the entire Mer peoples, the original "ancient" race. BUT, they only came about originally in the FUTURE as a curse placed upon humans by a "god", forever changing many of their race. The reason? The attempted extermination of the Mer people that started with the ancient nords and snow elves. In the future, the Dwemer know this, and know they have to go back in time to cause this to come about or they will never be in the first place. Fiendishly clever as they are, they find a way to do this and voila, we have the Mobius strip. The Dwemer still exist, because they never stopped existing, they never BEGAN to exist. Then, hop forward to "real" dwemer time and you have a TES splinter/spinoff (in an era where all Elder Scrolls are thought destroyed) to a Steam-punky type of world, a world where Dwemer rule, other Mer are working class, and humans are barely more than cattle, cannon fodder, and slaves.

There are SO many ways in which the Dwemer can BE that do not break the lore that, IMO, it's only a matter of time.
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Post » Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:23 am

They struck the Heart of Lorkhan with keening and sundering and disappeard, it is possible they we're teleported to Aetherious the realm of magic. If by chance they did make it to Aetherious they could not make it back to Tamriel because they been in an aedric realm too long. This doesn't mean the main character can't travel back and forth between the two just like the Soul Cairn.
I did not know that. Thanks!
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