I hated how the thieves guild was portrayed as somekind of Robin Hood group in Oblivion "Steal from the rich give to the poor" if you want to be a professional thief there gotta be another guild than a bunch of losers who are trying to make the world a better place for anyone but themselves... the Dark brotherhood didn't seem cold enough either... they seemed to nice to you except for that one khajit who still wasn't cold but was just a [Censored]... please Bethesda give us a cool guild for Assassins/Thieves and don't give them another motive than survival and coin... in Daggerfall I still haven't tried out their thieves guild but the Dark brotherhood just had a much better (and careless) quality... if there's one thing I don't want to see from Oblivion (other than the removal of spears and the fact that they didn't add flails) its that you can't truly be evil... I always wanted to find out who that crazy guy that tried to kill the nightmother was and blackmail him... or hand in the gray fox for a few septims... and yes I also wanted to kill Lucian Lachance or whatever his name was, thinking he can confront me and then send me out to help him without any reward... and appart from these two guilds it was mainly just "here's your villian go kill him/her"...

And please instead of writing "the poll is biased" then ignore the damn poll...

Less Sithis worshipping for the Dark Brotherhood I hope.

I think there can be a wide spectrum represented. Some Thieves might certainly think of themselves as Robin Hood, and behave like that for the most part. Others might be low-down dirty scum who would steal the insulin from a children's hospital.

As long as I get to pummel the latter, I'm happy.

For the Dark Brotherhood, I think a bit less Sithis worship would be fine. Surely some of them just want to make some money, and found they don't mind bashing a few skulls to do it. More of a gritty, anything-for-a-buck group than a cult.

Biased poll.

I'd definitely like the Thieves Guild to be more "evil". Maybe not stealing from each other, but not caring about everyone outside of the guild would be a nice change.

As far as the Dark Brotherhood goes, it was fine in Oblivion, I think. Maybe a bit colder towards outsiders, but they should keep the "warmth" inside. They are a brotherhood after all.

What Thieves' Guild are you on about? The http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Bal_Molagmer in Morrowind had the whole "Robin Hood" thing going, but I didn't see it in Oblivion's self-serving guild.

Let's see, freelance thieving with fences- profits went "to the poor," or in your pocket? That's right, in your pocket.

Steal statuette of dead Cheydinhall Countess for mystery buyer? Sounds more like "contract stealing for the rich." And the resulting mess isn't solved by giving anything to the poor- it's solved by framing a spy for the theft.

Recover a ring for the wife of a deceased guild member...that's just taking care of your own.

And the long multi-quest finale has squat to do with stealing "for the poor," in fact it all revolves around being for the exclusive good of the Gray Fox.

So where does Robin Hood enter into this again? :confused:


I will agree that the Dark Brotherhood could be a lot less "lol I am teh darkness, i r ebil lol!!1!!"- most of them didn't come off as really evil, they came off as a bunch of rebellious teens playing at being evil and thinking they were "teh kewl" because of it.

What's this? The two stereotypical evil guilds aren't one dimensional, scum of the earth, "i want to watch the world burn"? My mind can't handle all this complexity! :brokencomputer:

IMO the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves guild questlines were the best ones in Oblivion. The Dark Brotherhood were cold and sinister enough for me, especially in some of the quests (eg the purification). Doesn't mean they're not going to be friendly to you once your part of their 'family'.
As for the thieves guild, they're far from Robin Hood. They protect the poor and in return those people help them by giving them information (ie beggars). Also, a lot of the members of the guild were most probably poor, hence they had to turn to stealing in order to survive. Finally, why would a thief want to rob a poor person? They would likely have nothing of value.

Just thought i'd balance this thread somewhat

Why do people insist on having overly-personalized poll options?

wow, I think your bias is showing. I liked the Dark Brotherhood. Why should they hate eachother...they're a brotherhood.also, Mraaj Dar didn't even like you so you're wrong.

Those poll options are too biased.

The Thieves Guild did not have a "give to the poor" attitude. They had a "steal from the rich (for yourself), and help the poor so they help you" attitude.

Also the Dark Brotherhood came across as emo teens rather than assassins for hire.

Naturally that the thief guild don't want to [censored] in their own nest, important for them to be pretty popular at the waterfront as it makes a nice place to operate, and it was not a profitable place to steal.
And as I remember it was just one robin hood quest, rest was flushing out the informer and helping thief guild members until you started on the grey fox quests.

Phrasing your poll to say "A lot more Robin Hood garbage" is a bit biased. While I understand the general nomenclature of the sentence, it shouldn't be worded to imply that Robin Hood elements are garbage. I noticed mostly because that is what I voted for

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Heh, it is funny that I wrote this post without even reading the ones above me. Sorry to be redundant

The most notable change I noticed with the Thieves Guild actually occurred from Daggerfall to Morrowind. The ones in Daggerfall were much like the organized crime today - they were a syndicate of thieves tasked with not only doing contract work for clients, but they also tried to keep the city's criminal underworld under their control and eliminated any freelance thieves and mercenaries who weren't associated with the guild. It was basically an incredibly badass gang of mobsters: it wasn't until Morrowind when they started to get that "ragtag" feel everybody is describing. :rolleyes:

The Dark Brotherhood is currently in a similar state. There were always some occult, religious elements behind the guild (as we could see as early as Daggerfall), but it always came second to business. This is the major distinction between the Morag Tong and the Dark Brotherhood. The former is government sanctioned, and has a very professional, ritualized way of eliminating its targets. Their killings are bound by tradition and honorable conduct. But as we can see from Tribunal, the Dark Brotherhood really is just a group of mercenaries and self-styled assassins who offer their services to the highest bidder.

Biased poll is biased. DB were a bunch of emo kids, so that naturally appealed to all the sociopath misfit teens out there. The quests for both TG and DB were good. As long as they portray the DB more like it was in previous TES games it will be fine.

Also, what the hell does DB being "evil" have to do with "everyone liking each other"? Seems to me your perception of "evil" is horribly limited.

what he said lol

Hey, I have an idea. How about just let different guilds be different? Let the Thieves Guild in Cyrodiil have a Robin Hood-like attitude and have the Dark Brotherhood in Cyrodiil be nice, and have the Thieves Guild and DB in Skyrim be whatever the hell it wants to be.

The Thieves Guild in Oblivion was infinitely more interesting to me than the one in Morrowind. The Gray Fox and the whole storyline involving him was really entertaining for me. Stealing an Elder Scroll is one of the coolest things I have ever done in the entire series.

I'm not going to dictate how each guild should be. I want them to be how they should be. Stealing doesn't have to be "cold" or "evil" or anything like that. Let's not simplify things into "good" or "evil" categories. Let's accept things for what they are and enjoy it.


No. These aren't your forums, we can post what we want, if the poll is biased you should be told because biased polls should not be encouraged. If everyone in the real world made biased polls, we'd never get any real information through polls.

I agree Belwin, it is important for the guild members to at least respect each other, at despise most of the citizens outside their guild.

I personally thought the Thieves Guild were a bunch of do-gooders that failed miserably to satisfy my evil side of my character. There were a laundry list of pansies in the Thieves Guild, Armand, The stupid Stranger, The Wimpy Gray Fox, Skrivva...etc. I am hoping for a guild in Skyrim that immersses my character into a world of deceipt and thievery without any useless beggers.

For thieves guild you should get to CHOOSE whether you will do good or evil deeds as you steal. Seems like a great multi-character play-through guild.


DarkBrotherhood on the other hand doesn't really seem double sided, so thats gotta be as evil as possible. Killing is killing.

The Dark Brotherhood was WAAAAAAAAAAAAY too satanic. They are assassins, not "I drink blood out of a bosmer skull while committing tax evasion! hahahah!"

Thieves Guild was fine. The Ultimate Heist was one of my favorite quests.

What does Satanism have to do with anything?

I hated that the Dark Brotherhood was a religious cult. I'd like a pure assassin faction, that kills for the money, and don't care about gods or whatever, maybe as a new faction opposing the Dark Brotherhood?

Also, I don't know what to think of the Thieves Guild.
I liked the Robin Hood version, but I think they should have a more "evil" rival guild that you can join, like the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Camonna_Tong in Morrowind that was not joinable, sadly.

Too biased, didn't vote :glare:

"Killing is killing" is the wrongest thing I have ever heard. The player kills hundreds just in the main quest but is called a virtuous hero.


See, that never happened at all. The Mythic Dawn was far more "satanic" than the Dark Brotherhood in that way. They actually had ritualistic sacrifices and wore red robes and stuff.

I really don't get this idea that the Dark Brotherhood is overly evil or teenage goth or emo or any of the things people say about it. I've played through the Dark Brotherhood questline like 6 or 7 times and it was never like that. The Dark Brotherhood was a guild of assassins that worshiped Sithis. What's wrong with that? The Morag Tong was a guild of assassins that worshiped Mephala.

The thing I liked more about Morag Tong than the Dark Brotherhood was that the Morag Tong was more civilized... more accepted. They had some honor as well.
Assassination is cool. If Dark Brotherhood is kinda evil, OK; but they should be more civilized, rather than living in ruins...

They're nihilistic, psycho assassins... who get their orders from a magical statue that contains some...thing... the essence of nonbeing or a crazy old witch lady spirit... who in turn decides she wants you to kill based on the human sacrifice ritual performed by a client.

I hope they can find a way to add kicking a puppy to drinking blood out of bosmer skulls while committing tax evasion next time hahahaha.