Of course nudity and six will always be available for the PC versions of video games.

PC gamers who are modders always make these types of mods ever since the 1990's.

like some people already said

bethesda never shown full nudity since morrowind and i do not think they will now

if they do , something in a way like obsidian did in new vegas with their fade to black screeni would be ok with that just to keep those so called morality enforcers quiet

there will be plenty of advlt oriented mods available for us normal people and i intend to use them

political correctness just a political correct word for censorship and the time video games was only for kids are long gone

Either way, it's too late for them to take this kind of feedback into account. It's either already in the game or it's not.

i really think we finally should get straight if this thread's actually about "six" or "nudity" anyway... (---> op?)

Well, could have been in Fallout 3 (the Lead-Dev stopped that apparently) - I would like it if they put something like that in (but not just six for the sake of it...unless it's something like becoming a porm star (Fallout 2 in New Reno!) or seducing someone for some goal!) and do it better than Bioware (which is famous for things like that)...it enriches gameplay and people who do not like it need not take part (it's optional in all Bioware games for example)

greetings LAX

Exactly - if everybody treated six like that (soooo offensive, so bad, so seedy...it's a sin! etc.) humanity would have died out AGES ago!

Everybody who has a problem with it IMHO should see a shrink (I know it's hard to get rid of the propaganda (I once believed in a god, too - it was damned hard to leave religion behind while advlts and priests told you you shouldn't do that and that it's wrong etc.), but you can do it!)

greetings LAX

Technically, there WAS a period where six was this very very secretive thing that only the lowest of the low class talked about openly. Because of a (my opinion here) misguided concept of purity. This period has yet to end, really.

I like to look at six in a way that quotes Ned Stark talking about executions. You can not like it, but you should not turn away from it. It is a part of life.

I reiterate my original point, it's a strange backwards sort of thing, where mass murder, and wanton violence is acceptable to be seen, but six is somehow taboo.

that's just what the thing is: totally regardless of if you find it acceptable or not, you'll inavoidably be confronted with six and/or nudity (still not clear) to a certain degree in a real world. even if celibacy is your thing, you'll encounter, like, folks going at it in the park, your average ad nvde etc. so, simulating a "realish" world - that DOES contain sixuality, since we definitely know it's inhabitants procreate that way - that just blinds out that one aspect for no obvious reason is just besides the point in this regard. and this is to zero% a question of if anybody might find this acceptable or not (but rather quite the opposite, since aspects one finds inacceptable would be part of any "real" world).

...and just to get that straight, no, i do _not_ want a "copulate"-button in my game. as part of the ambience though - you just don't roam a postapocalyptic whatever for weeks, months and years without coming across any...

edit: just as an experiment of thought, imagine the taboo wouldn't be the depiction of genitals, but the depiction of blood. so, you could roam the wastes, screw whoever you please and then split their skulls, tear their limbs off, poke holes into them with radiant sticks, but they won't bleed. ever. how acceptible and/or gaga would you consider THAT?

(engine would totally feature the according functionality btw, there's really an actual "doesn't bleed" flag as is)

edit 2: just occured to me while posting to another thread - the no-six thing even seems to go as far (pls correct if wrong, talking about hearthfire which i don't have myself) that, when you marry, you can't have kids. you just can adopt...

(and don't tell me that's so gay and/or khajit/argonian couples can have kids too, adoption for them and procreation for the others would be dead easy to implement)

So murder, dismemberment, theft, arson, blowing up whole towns with a massive nuclear weapon is ok with you. Yet when it comes to six you draw the line, I think you really need to reconsider your outlook on life.

Show the audience peoples heads and legs getting blown off and they cheer, show a nipble and they all run screaming saying how disgusting it is. America is messed up.

If its anything like Nova at Moriarty's, six scenes consist of your partner being too tired tonight and going to bed early. You may then sleep next to them: cold, lonely, and unheld.

Just for the record... I completely agree, that there is a double standard in regards to violence vs. six in alot of media.

Buuuut I don't think it's bethesda's fault or responsibility to fix that.

I am sick and tired of seeing ^this stupid strawman argument.

To all you one-dimensional DUMDUMS out there who like pointing this out, the issue isn't "what's acceptable and what not."
We aren't the f------ ESRB. Let them sort out what's acceptable and what's not for you.

The complaint of seeing six scenes in Adventure games that are there just because is like complaining about a totally different CATEGORY being placed in another.
My argument of seeing a six scene in a game is on the same level as complaining about how the hacking system was implemented in Bioshock 1.
If you remember, every hack in Bioshock required you to solve a Pipe flow puzzle. Pipe flow puzzles are one you'd often find in casuals, hidden object category.
Now addressing the second most popular argument: "Don't like, don't play" it would be fine if the pipe puzzle was implemented once in order to progress but no.
It was implemented so that every time you hacked, you had to solve it. It was a fundamental in order to play the game. You can't NOT hack.

Now let's say we were the ESRB.
We'd probably use something like this (K-A, Teen, Mature, advlts Only)

Violence CATEGORY:
K-A: Fighting with no blood <
T: Fighting with animated blood <
M: Fighting with explicit blood and dismemberment <
AO: All of the above w/ added elements of realism (Hatred, Miami Vice tier)

six CATEGORY:

K-A: No nudity. Not even cleavage <
T: Cleavage, Skimpy skirts/ swim wear (Dead or Alive tier) <
M: Inexplicit six, Nudity and sixual themes discussed (Parasite Eve, God of War tier) <
AO: All of the above. six. Closeups of genitalia ([censored]-lay, Hentai dating Sim games)

It would make sense to argue: "So depiction of six is ok but nudity is not?" because everything in AO is included in the other ranks.

Remember every time you use the: "Ewww sew blud und gore iz accpt3d bu+ nippz iz not ewww....." you're indirectly saying: "Violence and six are the EXACT SAME THING MOTHERF' -----S!!!!!"

I see no relation between your pipe solving and the implementation of the "laying of pipe" in F4. The pipe solving was required in the game, whereas six likely wouldn't be, it would likely very well be a don't like it don't use it option so there's really no correlation between it and the pipe flow puzzles in BS1. It would likely be an optional feature or at most a one time thing thats part of the storyline. Also you seem to be saying that just because something is commonly in another genre of game it CAN'T be in another. Which is rather silly. That's like saying shooting someone is often in FPS's so it shouldn't be in RPG's.

I see plenty of video game violence controversy. For a recent examples, look at the uproar surrounding Hatred, which was rated AO by ESRB.

People are "DUMDUMS" for saying that we Americans accept violence, but do not accept nudity and six? The Europeans have a point it's weird to me as well and I'm an American.

I understand you find nudity and six feeling weird in video games, but it's more weirder that your ok with violence of killing people and feel wielded out if nudity or six exists in video games.

That is a very strange thought to me. Why would you accept killing people in the video games, but not want nudity and six in the video games?

Evidently you (and many other people) do not know what the word "hentai" actually means in Japanese nor what its implications are in the original culture. In other words, dating simulations that include consumation of romance are not called "hentai" in Japanese culture (nor are games that show [censored] or any other explicit six, for that matter). If you are not Japanese, you can get away with misusing the term, but you'll be much better accepted if you learn the culture and use appropriate terms/language.

The argument that has been pointed out here and many other places regarding acceptance of violence in various cultures (e.g, America and certain others) but classifying explicit six or even nudity as "advlts only", sinful, bad, wrong, etc is not a straw man argument by any means. In fact, just the opposite: it is pointing out how censorship exists and should be fought against by any free-thinking individual even if specific things that are censored are not something you want to read, see, hear, etc.

Of course, one thing Bethesda could do would be to include sixual material in a comedic way by (to modern audiences) by maintaining the very conservative public perceptions about it circa 1950s America, the exact context of the game world for Fallout. This would be similar to how it was dealt with in the movie Pleasantville. Basically, the treatment is the same as how Fallout treats the fears about atomic weapons and nuclear war from that period, the Red Scare/McCarthyism, the American Dream, etc (i.e., the reality of these elements of 1950s America is not funny but Fallout manages to depict them with humor that has a very dark side, but that most people can still find amusing because people of that period were so wrong about so many things).

Maybe in the US - in Europe people tend to be a lot more open minded (sure, it's not polite dinner conversation yet (it once was! people in Beethoven's time talked about all sorts of [censored] while having a meal!), but it's not something you don't talk about!)

Indeed it is - if you can show gore, dead people (corpses!) and people getting hurt and killed then six should not be a problem either, more so as it's a game for advltS, which should make it a non issue (sue the media if they take offense...I mean those same media people love to show clips of school shootings or missiles hitting buildings in Iraq etc. which makes it a tad hippocritical if they think they have the moral high ground and can shame gamers/developers...it's beyond ridiculous that we pander to their whims and stupid opinions!...let them sputter and rage, no one (who matters!) gives a [censored] about those idiots anyway!)

greetings LAX

While I completely agree that age ratings have their place... I'd worry about my performance as a hypothetical parent, if my hypothetical teenager, with my hypothetical parenting and optional guidance (that the kid could come to me with anything), was completely unable to cope with "advlt" content. I'd say that I hadn't really prepared my kid well enough for either the world around or advlthood then.

mass effect style dialog doesn't get soccer moms and senators up in arms.

Yeah I have to agree:

No shown six in FO4 please

No shown violence in FO4 please

No shown insects in FO4 please

...

Make it a game about happy rainbow colored ponies.

No!!! Shown six in Fallout 4, please.

Ah screw it.

" But his head got shot clean off his body anyway. Why am I not allowed to stick my junk in his eye socket!? "
*sobs

Trouble is, Bethesda is a company in america, that needs to deal with the american ESRB. They, strangely enough, have american attitudes... One of which is "Violence is acceptable, six, is not." Is it "right"? Does it "make sense"? The answers to these questions are pretty much irrelevant, this is simply the way that it is. A Fact. No amount of logic twisting is going to change that.

I'm sure if six is shown in the game it will be by player choice. I also don't think it would be explicit. At most you'd have BioWare fade-to-black scenes to go with the BioWare dialogue wheel.

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