An extremely subjective topic indeed, and I prefer Bethesda not be the ones who put it in the game. Modders take care of that, and judging by the popularity of the advlt themed mods on Nexus I'd say that it's best left to the community to fill that need . . .no pun intended

Well, the problem is that that is only your own preference and not true for many people. Diversity is wonderful, after all.

Pixelated six can be extremely entertaining for many people as can be seen by the vast amount of such material created and available/consumed. Is it for everyone? No, but that's also the case for any particular individual preference, of course. Some people eschew six altogether and don't even want innuendos. Innuendos or other content can be viewed differently by different cultures or even different age demographics.

In the end, BGS has to make choices just as they do for everything.

Personally, I find Todd's statements about mods on consoles and Bethesda's role in it (i.e., he doesn't want Bethesda to be moderating them) to be interesting because the sixually explicit or nvde mods are some of the more popular mods. As was said in another thread, some people want the nvde mods due to underclothes breaking immersion for them as players when they completely loot enemies. However, such mods are supposed to not be allowed for consoles, let alone anything more explicit.

I also wonder what would be done about mods that add/change text content to explicit content even if there are no visuals.

Not trying to go off topic but all of this does seem to be related.

Pixalated cartoonish violence is you know, not very believable.

double standards lol don't open that can of worms

Perhaps not, but you still have such content censored in various ways in different markets around the world regardless of how "realistic" or "unrealistic" (or "believable" or "unbelievable") it may be.

Paul Verhoeven's commentary as the director of the first Robocop movie (Criterion Collection version) illustrates this point regarding what he felt was over the top cartoonish violence in the unedited film but was forced to remove clips and make the scenes more "realistic" for the MPAA to give an R rating rather than X (the latter is what the original unedited/uncensored version would have received at the time). He was incredulous, but he isn't American so he has a different cultural background. I agree with him, of course, but this is a good example to showcase the business versus artistic problem, I think.

Spot on.

Plenty of splattered brain tissue and shattered limbs, but no glans or penile tissue. I'm not even about to suggest that they should be a commonly held sight. After all, one of the foundations of the simulation is violence, while sixual relations is not. But there has never been any noteworthy conflict in history where the two have not coexisted alongside one another.

I'll purchase the game regardless, but we're "two days behind" on this issue.

Obviously the OP is trying to use a bit of reverse psychology on Bethesda, and a few people here are ruining it!

Seriously though, six in a Fallout game? Who cares. It will just fade to black as it always has.

sixual encounters are depicted, rather graphically I might add, in movies and books. All of which are perfectly acceptable. Yet, when implemented in a game that also depicts brutal killings and it stirs the fuddy-duddy comments of some.

Interestingly, the same ones discrediting six in games will defend their type of entertainment as mature content to justify an advlt playing a video game. When people find out I'm a gamer, they don't see an aged man, they see a little kid on the floor playing Mario.

Point being, most people are too damn fickle and change their stance on Mature content, pending who is attacking their way of enjoyment.

six typically isn't done well in games. It was terrible in all the Bioware Games and the only reason the Witcher games stand out is because they're the best we've got - which isn't very good in the first place.

I'm hoping for more mature themes in a post apocalyptic game, I expect it and other darker themes. However, the modding community has me covered. There was one particular mod for New Vegas that implemented sixual themes in a way that seemed realistic to the world of Fallout.

Also, Witcher 3 got Americanized. They upped the gore and made most of the scenes share the same animations and assets; every person Geralt sleeps with has the same nvde body with a freckle on its butt. At least Bioware has unique scenes for each of the characters. They're all as poorly edited as a bad movie six scene with no full frontal nudity nor anything resembling a mature scene. If you're gonna do a six scene, put effort into it and think, "could I show this to my parents and be proud." Otherwise, just make it a fade to black.

If I did cinematography for porm, for example, you're damn right I'd be proud of it. I'd show that off to everyone.

THIS, more than anything else. It is like watching an advlts only version of Saturday morning cartoons without the humor.

The only way I've seen six done well was in one FLASH game where you control the [censored].
There's one meter for amount of pleasure and one for when it's close to ejac.

Of course I can't post a link of that game but it's out there.
The thing is, if it's not done right it looks and feels ridiculous.
When it's done too well (like in online flash games where the depiction of graphic six IS THE OBJECTIVE) then it's too well for RPGs that it puts you in that Euphoric state WHICH I'D LIKE TO EXPERIENCE SOME OTHER TIME; NOT WHILE PLAYING FALLOUT. (and YES I used the word "I" in that sentence. Frakk it if you're gonna be using the "that's your preference argument.")

Why do people not get it's not about "violence is ok but six is not" or "dun like, dun play, dun buy." but about how the inclusion of something in a game affects the state a player is in?

(edit: a few misspelled words.)

that's 3 things, as i see it:

1) six as in "non-optional scenes i'll need to watch", like screwing cut scenes: no, thanks. please.

2) six as in "a part of ambience": should i, like, run across a couple of ghouls screwing in some alleyway, i wouldn't mind..

3) six as in "nudity": yes please. it's just 100% ridiculous to have underwear grown to your body in an advlt rated title.

I'd rather be able to loot armor off corpses, myself. Leave the nudity to the modders. They will do it better, and you can tailor it to your tastes.

sticking with steam, do they allow that type of mods anyway? can't remember having seen ONE nvde mod for skyrim on steam

edit: that armor can't be removed from some npc's isn't because it's grown to the body btw (they still got the normal underwear stuff beneath), it's just set as fixed and can be removed via script etc

No VALVe does not allow nvde mods or mods that have pormographic material on the Steam Workshop.

I'd strongly recommend anyone that uses Steam to invest time into using Mod Organizer or at the very least NMM.

ah yes, been wondering...

that's just plain ridiculous.

(and as if nudity = pormography...)

chainsaw their skulls, but can't see their boobs. it's downright insane. like we're back in victorian age or stg. it's really hard to believe...

as it goes, godcomplex.com and i banned eachother, so i'm pretty much stuck with steam

I don't understand...

I mean, I 'm not familiar with that particular tag or lingo.

Well, in Wolfenstein: The New Order they have a cutscene where BJ has Anna up on a table when he's interrupted for a mission briefing...why you don't see anything but her bare legs the position leaves absolutely no doubt he's using his BFG5000 on her.

I doubt this'll be a thing, New Vegas went fade to black but Beth hasn't done it in any of their previous games. Doubt it'll happen.

burned down to what's essential, it basically just means: no nmm for me.

oh don't worry, that's no lingo, that's just my own name for that particular site i'm extraordinarely pissed off by. or been for years rather, i actually don't care much anymore since steam at least crossed their monopolizing mods.

Published by Bethesda Softworks but made by Machine Games, not Bethesda Game Studios.

I can't see it adding anything to the game. Maybe TW has improved its handling of six since the first game but in that it really was adolescent male fantasies. Dragon Age was pretty poor too although for different reasons.

eww... six.