Feel free to read the in-game texts that reference said information.

Feel free to play the game.

You mean the Vile Lair DLC that depicts a "statue of Sithis" with a removed heart signifying that the closest thing to the DB's "Sithis" is a demonized version of Lorkhan?

Looks like we got a fight brewing!

I want yall to remember, this is like two old guys discussing a religion, and to have fun.

Dude, the [censored] gods (aedra, daedra, magna-ge) are mere concepts. Sithis is in every single thing, it is chaos, and so far detached from everything, what is one death to it? It is the force that keeps infinite and stasis in check. By walking, breathing, existing, you're celebrating Sithis. Any and all stories relating to Sithis-Anuiel are allegorical to give a tangible and understandable form to chaos. The point being, Sithis is in every single thing. It is change. My gusting wind is nothing more than allegory, but I guess that makes me a recent grad student, artsy fartsy, book reader trying to look smarter than I really am.

And your in-game canon evidence is nothing more than believing a bunch of psychotic assassins, whose only skills are sticking sharp objects in people. And Vile Lair give a hell of a lot more credance to Lorkhan, rather than Sithis. If you took the time to actually inspect the statue, instead of reading the crazed writings of a vampire assassin, you notice that the being looks like death, which is what the altmer view Lorkhan as, death. Then you also have the hole where the heart should be. Who else has that? Why, Lorkhan! Sithis in all manifestation, except he DB, is seen as chaos. It is why the altmer hate him, because it ruins Anuiel's perfect stasis, and why the dunmer love him, because they don't like the stasis.

The DB quest line does not prove anything either, other than it sheds light that no one in the Dark Brotherhood has any idea what they're talking about. If you speak with every member about 'Sithis' all you get are varying accounts on what they think. Not to mention that the story and being of the Night Mother has been constantly changing game-to-game.

Those texts are in the game. If you take everything in this series at face value without reading anything you end up with a pretty ignorant POV.

That's speculation as well. It's clearly a Shrine to Sithis and not Lorkhan. They didn't write 5 Tenants and say "Hail Lorkhan".

Not at all. You shouldn't read the posts in a Darth Vader voice.

I wasnt doing it.

But now I am.

When you get pissy, that's when I stop reading. Besides, you're continuing to speculate and try to spin the whole thing.

"The actual game is wrong What we read into and use our scholastic logic and dream up the pieces to make it all make sense, to what WE want to believe as fact, outweighs any actual in-game content."

Great job!

My reference to the split was in response to funnybunny talking about the Night Mother being a living person in Morrowind. The Dark Brotherhood wouldn't acknowledge the title of Night Mother of the Morag Tong, and the Morag Tong would simply consider the Dark Brotherhood's Night Mother to be a very old corpse.

Funny, when Akatosh broke, time went goes completely screwy (TES2: Daggerfall ending for the most modern reference), but how can that happen if Akatosh is not the concept of time itself?

Also, don't talk about me getting pissy, when your posts end up being snark.

At this point I'd be surprised if you knew what Lorkhan is. If you refuse to think about things why bother having a discussion? The Night Mother is clearly not a woman who had six with the dread god of stabbing. The Dark Brotherhood split off from the Morag Tong because Mephala is a sadistic tinkerer who pulls on the threads of mortality just to watch things unravel.

Sithis is chaos of which Mephala spawned from therefor the DB like it.. the soul of Sithis is Lorkhan and thus the closest thing to Sithis as an entity is Lorkhan... which is demonstrated in the Vile Lair DLC which has a statue with a hole in it's heart. That symbolism is extremely important in TES.. just look at the sign of the Empire and Pelinal's armor in the same game as that DLC.

has to be plainly stated by someone, I guess.

But to also nitpick, everything was spawned from Sithis, it's just some prefer the stasis of Anuiel rather than the chaos of Sithis, as noted in the books, Sithis, Monomyth, Anuad (I think), and how the aedra and daedra are described.

I can commit logical fallacies too. Would you like to keep going or can we agree that you don't know anything about the game universe beyond what NPC's say?

Actually, I don't plan to talk to you at all.

We can agree....

Hail Sithis.

... and bless them little pygmies in Neuguinea.

Alright, who is gonna win this http://i.imgur.com/liy3aBB.jpg

At least you finally admit it.

More, like Darth Vader catches the crabs.

I'm going to be piss drunk on Sunday, so count me out for a "no-show" I'll be worshiping... Gravity.

EDIT :

I gave a solid in-game cannon reference to support the fact that Sithis, is looked upon as a sentient being capable of taking on physical form. Only to be met with speculative creations by people that want to interpret and meld the writings into what they want.

Only to pass the the game's own as something else. If we look at a simple one-liner, like Astrid calling Shadowmere a he. That can be written off as a mere oversight. But how can you denounce an entire questline?

Damn http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_vWpgRcOfMMk/TO3H0x_tGqI/AAAAAAAAAxk/4kp3vPL_DDo/s1600/gravy+boat.jpgithttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAISUDbjXj0 cults...

There's in-game evidence that Sithis can take on a physical form? Do share.

The Dark Brotherhood can believe what they want. But Sithis is not some god like Aedra/Daedra that can manifest. He's the void. If you want a "physical" representation of him, you have Lorkhan and Sheogorath. Lorkhan was specifically sent by Sithis to create chaos. Just as Auri-El was sent by Anui-El to preserve Stasis. Anui-El and Sithis are primordial entities.

I wonder if I should go try build a 'void' pedestal...

Yeah, I would also like to see this so called solid canon evidence.

EDIT :

...nvmd. I yield.

The DB is all wrong.

Lucien Lachance was delirious.

The writers don't know the game.

The Oblivion release was a farce.

There is no such thing as the Night Mother.

Her children was fathered by 5 different Skooma adicts.

Says who? The Night Mother? The Night Mother is just another name for Mephala. A Daedric Prince who enjoys manipulating mortals. Especially outcasts like the Dark Brotherhood who would believe anything to justify psychopathic tendencies. As stated numerous times Sithis is real, but is not a sentient being, it is not even aware of the Dark Brotherhood.

That is speculation form the fan base.

Monomyth...

Sithis is thus the Original Creator, an entity who intrinsically causes change without design. Even the hist acknowledge this being.