I am sick of this : V - Skyrim

» Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:31 pm

And the award goes to...Khratel for best post of the thread.

But seriously, I agree completely with this. I do believe it all boils down to the fact that people are getting impatient, annoyed and magazines aren't being completely clear with the content of the game, annoying people even more. I'm going to wait until I play the game for a decent amount and if it is truly the worst game ever made, then I'll come here and complain about every single detail. But until then, I'll just sit back and laugh at the people who complain.

I can totally agree with this it is exactly what I was getting at, learning some patience and get some more info which is more accurate and reliable

» Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:15 pm

Complaining about complaints serves no purpose, this is a forum, for discussion, not for circlejerking about how awesome everything is.

Blind faith is not my cup of tea, thanks.

What he said.

For some people it seems personal when you criticize something they like or don't see as a problem.

» Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:19 am

This remark is based on the assumption that those of us who don't care if there is spell making or not are not huge fans of the series. That assumption is wrong, I wouldn't even be here right now if I wasn't a huge fan of the series. Everything I've seen in print and online has made me quite happy to see where things are going. With the noted exception of Steam worship.

For a large chunk of people, the lack of a spell maker may not even be noticed, let alone cried over. You can't seriously be suggesting none of them are "actual fans"?

Great post which I agree 100% with.

I'm a massive Elder Scrolls fan and I've always been extremely positive about both Morrowind and Oblivion and I love everything we've learned about Skyrim (except the steam, but it's really minor in the big picture of things). Like any ES fan I also want as many features to be included as possible (spears, xx amount of skills, attributes, hardcoe mode, blood & gore, optional fast-travel and transportation system, all that stuff) as I would like Elder Scrolls to be the ultimate RPG simulator, but I don't demand all these things. If some of my favorite feature is left out it won't hinder me from enjoying the massive amount of good stuff in the game, those hundreds of hours of pure joy I will get. I trust Todd and I want him to follow his vision. :celebration:

» Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:51 pm

I think it was perfectly called for, Morrowind was the best game ever it should have never been changed, every aspect about it was perfect and the elder scrolls is being ruined by these new games because they are not DLC's for Morrowind. *sarcasm*

» Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:19 am

Freedom of speech and freedom of thought separate us from the Nazis and the Communists, but rules and boundaries separate us from lynch mobs.

» Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:33 am

I think it was perfectly called for, Morrowind was the best game ever it should have never been changed, every aspect about it was perfect and the elder scrolls is being ruined by these new games because they are not DLC's for Morrowind. *sarcasm*

10/10
Would read again.

» Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:22 am

I think it was perfectly called for, Morrowind was the best game ever it should have never been changed, every aspect about it was perfect and the elder scrolls is being ruined by these new games because they are not DLC's for Morrowind. *sarcasm*

Really, that's what all this boils down to, whether anyone wants to admit it or not.

» Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:33 am

My real concern is what happens when I accidently hit my horse (if they or another type of mount are available) with a damage speed potion. Would one of the provided spells enable me to fix the problem without resorting to blatant cheating (console commands)?

I like this point on the spellmaking issue. It makes a lot more sense than some I have read and said.

Of course the solution is obvious. Lets get rid of attributes so you can't damage speed!
*end sarcasm*

Seriously though, he makes a good point.

» Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:36 pm

I can totally agree with this it is exactly what I was getting at, learning some patience and get some more info which is more accurate and reliable

While I agree with you and often try to calm naysayers or defeat their logic, there is absolutely no way on Earth that we can stop such complaints. It's human nature, and those of us living in this forum are going to be dealing with it until long after opening day.

Free speech is just that, even if we don't like or agree with what others say, we all have the right to post our views as long as those posts stay within the rules - and nothing we say in this or any other thread will change that.

Keep the faith.

» Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:00 am

I think it was perfectly called for, Morrowind was the best game ever it should have never been changed, every aspect about it was perfect and the elder scrolls is being ruined by these new games because they are not DLC's for Morrowind. *sarcasm*

Reminds me of what these forums were like before Oblivion...

Morrowind is garage. Daggerfall was the pinnacle of what a game can possibly be, no star can ever shine brighter! Morrowind was the worst thing to happen to TES and Oblivion will be just as bad. All hope is lost...

» Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:13 am

I was thinking the same thing... until I saw no spell making. Then I did a 180 because we have reason to be worried, its not like the devs are confirming or denying our concerns!

This, basically. I play pure mages. Spellmaking was 1/3 of the game for me. Every TES game gets smaller in overall scope, and I dislike that. I like (most of) what I see, otherwise. If birthsigns are cut, that kinda bugs me too. I dunno. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

» Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:04 am

Seriously? Another "stop complaining" thread?

It'd be nice if nobody had to make these threads, but since one of the fundamental laws of physics is that for every fandom there is a larger hatedom, and for every hatedom there is a still larger hadedom that calls itself the true fandom, it crops up a lot.

This place is a prime example of that law. Every single scrap of information has more people saying that whatever just got spoken of will ruin TES forever and turn it into a mindless generic hack-and-slasher than it does saying anything else. Dragons in? Sellouts! Ruined FOREVER! Dual wielding? Sacrificing substance for flash, ruined FOREVER! The game isn't 2D Daggerfall cutouts? Graphics [censored]s ruined the series FOREVER! Nebulae? Lore breaking, ruined FOREVER! Finishing moves? Mindless flash, ruined FOREVER! Radiant story? They're too lazy to design quests, ruined FOREVER! Less skills that actually do stuff? Dumbed down for baby-eating, manchild commercialist console kiddies! Ruined FOREVER! Perks? Fallout clone, ruined FOREVER!

I could go on. You name any feature and I've seen someone here calling the whole series ruined forver because Bethesda is, well you know the two words that come next. Tyrranas has every right and reason to be sick to death of it. As does anyone who thinks that professional game designers might be able to make a halfway decent game, or at least think it's impossible to judge a game to be a shark jumping moment before it's even had any public gameplay footage, let alone been played through. The same thing happened before Oblivion. Every feature had haters calling themselves "true" fans saying Oblivion was to kill the series. It lost stuff, I personally like it less than Morrowind but it's still great. And most of those haters, like myself, bought the collectors edition opening day so their whining rang hollow when those $70 american landed in that register.

I'm not saying we all need to just assume every feature is the light of God incarnate in digital form, I'm iffy on the dialog for sure, but we need to give it a chance rather than pretending we'll abandon the whole series based on pre-release information. If I hear one more person say "well, it's official, Bethesda are sellouts because (feature exists)" I'm gonna have to dip into my rant-reserves.

» Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:02 am

Really, that's what all this boils down to, whether anyone wants to admit it or not.

this.

and it's annoying. really annoying.

» Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:36 pm

Skyrim = Fallout with swords and better combat
Fallout = Oblivion with guns and better level scaling
Oblivion = Morrowind with better combat
Morrowind = Daggerfall without random generation and all hand drawn without speak Spriggan

So we are getting a hand drawn version of Daggerfall, with Fallout style scaling, steam powered Dwemer crossbows and twice better combat, and can all go home happy
BUT
You can't talk to Spriggans, which is dumbing down so I won't buy it and claim the right to hate on Todd Howard, who is obviously worse than the bankers responsible for the world recession and the BP boys who spilled all that oil.

» Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:14 am

Skyrim = Fallout with swords and better combat
Fallout = Oblivion with guns and better level scaling
Oblivion = Morrowind with better combat
Morrowind = Daggerfall without random generation and all hand drawn without speak Spriggan

So we are getting a hand drawn version of Daggerfall, with Fallout style scaling, steam powered Dwemer crossbows and twice better combat, and can all go home happy
BUT
You can't talk to Spriggans, which is dumbing down so I won't buy it and claim the right to hate on Todd Howard, who is obviously worse than the bankers responsible for the world recession and the BP boys who spilled all that oil.

This made me crease :L haha well said

» Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:44 am

pffffttt nothing to see here sadley.

» Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:17 am

Skyrim = Fallout with swords and better combat
Fallout = Oblivion with guns and better level scaling
Oblivion = Morrowind with better combat
Morrowind = Daggerfall without random generation and all hand drawn without speak Spriggan

So we are getting a hand drawn version of Daggerfall, with Fallout style scaling, steam powered Dwemer crossbows and twice better combat, and can all go home happy
BUT
You can't talk to Spriggans, which is dumbing down so I won't buy it and claim the right to hate on Todd Howard, who is obviously worse than the bankers responsible for the world recession and the BP boys who spilled all that oil.

Now that was funny. It's also funny because people do tend to assign total responsibility to a single person, where really it's a group effort. That goes for the good stuff too.

» Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:00 pm

I'll just put this here (from a locked thread)

Who is Swarley and where is Todd's confirmation? We have an article that was correctly translated by someone in their own language. Until I see something else, other than hearsay, I'm going by what's in the article.

» Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:43 am

I'll just put this here (from a locked thread)

Swarley already confirmed that he was wrong. Todd did NOT confirm that spell making is in.

» Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:33 pm

steam powered Dwemer crossbows

I'll be gravely disappointed if this isn't in the game.

» Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:41 am

Waitwaitwait.

Skyrim = Fallout + magic
Skyrim = ( Oblivion + guns) + magic
Skyrim = ((dumbed-down LOTR Morrowind) + guns) + magic

In which we ascertain Skyrim will be in fact be Morrowind, only invaded by rather stupid hordes of hobbits dual-wielding guns and magic.

But morrowind is just a dumbed-down version of Daggerfall with aliens in it. So Skyrim will be Daggerfall, only invaded by rather stupid hordes of Alien hobbits dual-wielding guns and magic

WIN lol! :laugh:

» Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:14 am

You know, this whole situation reminds me of the naysayers who said that TESV would be an MMO or would never exist, due to a somewhat out of context message of "no current plans".

They kept saying, "OF COURSE WE'RE RIGHT AND IT DOESN'T EXIST BECAUSE IF IT DID BETHESDA WOULD CONFIRM IT. COME ON BETHESDA CONFIRM IT. CONFIRM IT CONFIRM IT CONFIRM IT. SEE IT DOESN'T EXIST BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING I'M GOING TO GO RAGE AGAINST BETHESDA ON THE FORUMS NOW."

Of course, when Skyrim got announced, that crowd mysteriously vanished. Now a sketchy Italian article says something over a feature of the game that is really not important to the core gameplay, and then everyone is repeating the thing all over again. Ever thought that maybe the devs don't consider something as minor as this a big enough issue to go out of their way to confirm? Just calm down everyone, and learn some patience.

Fanatical anger is completely different from constructive criticism. Why do you instantly jump in and try to find reasons to never buy the game based on a few sketchy details? Would you seriously give up on a game because they replaced a system that was broken from the start and only the people who played mages would use? Instead of waiting for an explanation or a solution, you're already going into fury. CALM DOWN.

I mean, seriously, do you even know what you want from the game? Many of the people complaining about this, I remember, were the people who were complaining about how Oblivion had no variety and wasn't deep enough. When others defended Oblivion, saying the gameplay was better, these same people used to say that gameplay was nothing compared to story and atmosphere. So they have made the game much more varied and with a much deeper world, and you've seriously moved on from saying that what you wanted most was depth to saying whether the unimportant spellmaking is in, in all its unbalanced and broken glory, or replaced by a much better system would seriously prevent you from buying the game? Is spellmaking so important, so core to TES, that even if a much better system is made, you wouldn't buy the game because it doesn't have a "TES feel"? Why is your opinion on what is TES more valid than the developers who make the game or even anyone else? What makes you more entitled than anyone else? What makes you a "true fan" and anyone else who says otherwise a "casual"?

And once again, let me restate it. There is a line between constructive and productive criticism, and pointless anger and insulting. That line has been crossed.

agreed 100%

im beginning to wonder if its not a mis translation or the meaning was lost in translation. i think they might have been referring to using 2 spells at the same time to create a new one.

» Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:41 pm

Swarley already confirmed that he was wrong. Todd did NOT confirm that spell making is in.

Oh Pie Bags, alrighty gonna remove that to avoid confusion

» Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:12 pm

Swarley already confirmed that he was wrong. Todd did NOT confirm that spell making is in.

This.

I don't think we'll ever get a clarification on it anytime soon. Unless it's answered in the upcoming GI podcast, which is doubtful.

As for my take on this thread, I'll make my point short and sweet.

Most all of us are paying customers. We're paying somewhat hefty sums of money for a product we love. If something in a later product does not meet our specifications or upsets us, we have the god given right to voice our criticism or complain about it.

Also, complaining about complaining doesn't help the issue. It only adds more to the massive fog of complaints we already have, thus making it worse.

» Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:55 am

I will agree in part, I'm tired of seeing nothing but incessant whining and complaining over the most ridiculosu things.

However, if all we do is fawn over Bethesda and praise everything they do to high heaven, then we are doing them and ourselves a disservice. Our job as fans is to tell them what's good, and what's not. If Bethesda is commited to a design decision, they'll follow through wether we like it or not, but it's still important that we let them know if we don't approve of something they do. Bethesda wants their customers happy, what sane business wouldn't? They still take chances and they still do what they want to do though.

If I see something in Skyrim I genuinely don't like, I will say so. Whining about completely meaningless things like "Oh no, they are removinf skills that nobody actually uses anyway" is just a waste of time though. I will criticise or praise the important things, so should the rest of you as well.

EDIT: One more thing, I like this community, I really do. But the state of this place right now is depressing. The vast majority fo threads these days makes me want to stay away from the forums untill Skyrim is actually released.