Did GameInformer just state that Wizard Duels are basically ranged melee combat? Spells and wards instead of swords and shields? :blink:

Must... resist... urge to kill you...

I agree with OP

I'd agree with the op, out of sheer bewilderment in front of the Spellmaking Greek Chorus tearing their hair and wailing over a single twice-translated sentence : but I'm not a fan of "Bethesda, right or wrong" either. Nothing wrong with voicing your own criticism on the games. These are forums, not a e-altar. Besides, what are worth my compliments, if I never ever say anything negative ?

The only problem I see is when we drop all reason and moderation, to go either extreme. The high emotional state is kind of grating in itself, too.

Well you can still have on touch spells, so a mage fight can still be close quarters.

NOOO! MAGIC HAS JUST BEEN TURNED INTO FANCY MELEE COMBAT!

... really, if that GI article is true, I think we need to be a bit more worried about this new mechanic instead of "no spell creation."

I don't understand it was always like this. The new mechanics will even allow a more varied magical combat.

I have watched over the forums for a while and never signed up but I did recently because I saw that this community was something special but just like you said, watching the community now is most certainly not the same anymore and it is yes in a way depressing :/.

Got to be better than walking around with 100% reflect spell.

I don't see what the problem is with fans complaining - the forum is set up to allow free expression and the devs are dropping by all the time to check for fan feedback - some things they will be really happy with and others they will probably go - yeah we thought that would cause a reaction.

There's still time before release to either add some features that the fans want or if I was cynical I would be imagining that some features fans really want will come out as DLC

See i agree with constructive criticism. The problem is, we almost never get that here. it's usually just "they implemented a feature that is too much/not enough like a carbon copy of an older game! They svck!"

I was told that doing such to a modder would be bad form. Apparently professionals who make games in order to pay the rent don't get the benefit of civility.

But what are the chances for that to happen around here? :banghead:


Yes, criticism is certainly important but positive feedback, praise, love and inspiration from fans is probably also nice to have.

If I was at Bethesda I honestly wouldn't read these forums much. I mean, would you want to hear a bunch of ungrateful haters whine about your artistic creation and hard work all the time?

Any thing that I have read about Skyrim has raised my excitement and anticipation level, and lately no part of information has made me worried or disappointed.

The only bit of doubt that has remained is whether they can deliver. I mean it seems too good to be possible. I mean the whole image that I have created in my mind by combining the bits of information together.

I know it is not perfect and I would suggest some improvements myself, but the current state is really impressive, and I'm all anticipation incarnate.

And it saddens me that people just take a bit of information that disappoints them and do not see the grand vista ahead, as a whole new world of opportunities that has arisen.

I love the whole portrait, and do not see those specs of dust against the bright and beautiful vista.

If they can deliver, as they have done before, this can even surpass Morrowind.

It will be hard, but I would wait and see.

A forum with nothing but positive feedback might be good for stroking their egos, but its utility ends there. Criticism is worth so much more.

haters gonna hate... get used to it

Im pretty sure before Oblivion they thought they had a good level scaling system.
Before Morrowind they may have thought the animations were good.

Pre-Skyrim announcement: "I really hope they add in a whole bunch of skills and stuff! I didn't like the cut from DF to MW, or the cut from MW to OB. Here's hoping they add a whole bunch of skills so we have more options!"
Post-Skyrim announcement: "18 skills? That's awesome, they're just getting rid of the skills we don't need. I'm really happy about this change."

Pre: "Seriously, dragons are just so cliche and generic. TES won't do dragons because according to the lore they are extremely rare and and powerful and stuff. Also, TES is far from being generic, so I really doubt dragons will be in. At least I hope not."
Post: "Yes! Dragons are going to be so sweet, I can't wait to fight them!"

Pre: "I really hope we get a unique setting for Skyrim. I want to feel like im exploring a whole new world. Morrowind's landscape was awesome, but then Oblivion's was bland and generic. But then Shivering Isles was awesome, so Bethesda is showing us that they still know how to make a unique and otherworldly landscape."
Post: "Skyrim's landscape is going to be super realistic, to the point where it could be Earth! It's going to be awesome because it'll feel familiar."

Pre: "Dual-wielding does not belong in TES. This is extremely gimmicky and would be terribly implemented, so I really hope it's not in."
Post: "Dual-wielding is going to be so cool."

Basically the trend appears to be "Ugh, I'll be upset if X is included" but then when it's confirmed, the same people turn around and say "Man, I can't wait for X!"
There are plenty of other examples of this if you look for them. It's actually quite humourous to see a username having one opinion against a feature, and then after that feature is announced, you see the same username defending that feature. Seriously.

I have no other word for this besides fanboyism. I don't mean that offensively, just in my opinion, that's what it seems to be. Or perhaps I'm just a dike. Who knows.

Now if only we had some.

I've started to want a gameplay video so we can have criticism instead of whining entitled haters instead of just wanting a gameplay video. Saying 'they changed it now it svcks" is not criticism.

1) That's why they pay Gstaff.

2) This forum is full of praise out the ying yang. Oblivion got so much praise it was disgusting. A lot of that praise was undeserved in some people's opinion. What good does undeserved praise do? Does it get us a better game? Not at all.

3) If Bethesda themselves dialogued more with the community, like some other developers I know who also happen to develop western RPGs (coughBioWarecoughObsidiancough), then we wouldn't feel the need to be so negative to get our point across. They don't, so we are. All we get is the occasional post from Gstaff and the Pete Hines tweet (no offense to Gstaff).

Everyone should quit treating Todd like Peter Molyneux

But offense to Pete Hines.
Seriously, has he ever really answered a question?
Sure the occasional deflection from info is funny, but it gets old.

Yeah, pretty much as I am. It's hard to listen to talk of setting fire to mills and upsetting economies, magic traps, dunmer cities or "choice and consequence" tree for quests, and scale it down in your mind to something realistic. :lmao:

Most likely this won't change. This has been the behavior since I was a beta tester for Daggerfall and Bethesda's forums existed on Compuserve.

The tragedy though, is that gamers who post angry rants diminish the value of all of our input in the eyes of any developer. It's hard to take us seriously as a group when a vocal minority behaves so immaturely.

But this thread will be washed away in an angry sea of tirades.

What, what do you mean? Oblivion did not get much praise around here back in 2006. Mostly it was praised by newcomers only.

When you look at all the other games out there, don't you still think Oblivion is far better than the vast majority of them?

He doesn't even have to respond, so show some respect. And yes he has actually answered questions before, so why are you attacking him? He told us about spell effects and that climbing will probably not be in the game, I'm sure there are several other things he told us as well.