What do you mean? Is that good or bad? Is Peter Molyneux bad?

My perspective is more along these lines... Everyone has the right to comment and debate, however I was raised in a period and culture where even if your concern was heartfelt you'd still present your criticisms in a polite, constructive manner - not wild outbursts, some of which I feel have been downright personal and insulting.

My profession is that of RPG Writer (table top rather than computer games) and I am usually happy to track civilised forums where my books are being discussed. I use the experience to make rules adjustments in future projects, answer questions and help the fans in any way I can. Yet when I start reading threads full of fan hatred it not only affects my writing (since it generally takes the joy out of my efforts and prompts a reflexive anger), but it also sunders any sympathy I have with those customers.

Thus in effect a few vitriolic whiners can seriously affect what I do with my next project, often eliciting a reinforcement of the concept or rule the handful of haters were so rude about. In turn they also cause me to stop answering questions to preserve my own professional conduct, since the temptation is always there to verbally retort in a very bad way.

Now I am fully aware of the need for criticism and it has often helped me create better books. I am also aware that no matter what I design/write I can never please everyone, because players all have their own unique vision of the game/setting. But being rude, aggressive or melodramatic quite simply puts my back up. Its not something you'd actually do face to face, and you'd be censored for it if you did. Why people feel the need to do it here I have no idea.

So take heed. I'm willing to bet that most of the TES development team are now steering well clear of this forum now, quite simply because a few of you guys are going too far. All you are going to do is turn the developers against both you and whatever pet issue you don't want changed.

That is why gamers aren't taken seriously, unfortunately. Thanks to some people, people tend to think of us as whiny, entitled basemant dwelling freaks. It's a crying shame.

Yeah he is really bad...

Unless you like being promised something about a game, and getting nowhere near.
He tends to use false promises to get hype to sell games.

But this is all off topic.

So, how about those Skyrim screenshots?

If worse comes to worst, I'll just keep playing Morrowind with some Skyrim on the side (like I'm doing with Oblivion at the moment). I don't really care what they add/remove. But crossbows and spears would be nice *nudge, nudge*

I think part of the problem is that people are only given glimpses of what is being changed without an understanding of how these changes all fit together. Of course, in a vacuum, many of them come across as very bad, so they speak up in outrage. A more clear picture, though, may dispel some of their fear.

To some people, including myself, yes. He makes his mediocre games seem like top of the notch when they really aren't

Mai'q the Liar: "People always enjoy a good fable. M'aiq has yet to find one, though. Perhaps one day."

Yeah, Pete Hines does a tremendous job. All the gaming magazines love him because he's so patient and friendly, I've heard it many times.

spears/halbeds are coming back as shown in most of the concept art, if it wasnt in the game that would be the biggest deceiving thing I'd ever seen, not sure on crossbows just yet, and well I wasn't expecting this thread to get so long :/

Prior to Oblivion I had complete faith in Bethesda.
However, after playing what I consider to be a deeply flawed game I have no faith in Todd as an RPG developer.
It was his vision to change TES to Middle Earth - based on watching the LOTR movies.
His latest vision is Conan
I wish his vision was TES!

For example, why waste so many resources on finishing moves - different for every enemy and weapon type - is it really important?
Todd obviously thinks it is important.
Personally I would prefer things that impact on roleplaying like creating your own spells, a logical travel system, PC User Interface - not to say these things will not be included but they are a billion times more important to me than silly finishing moves.

Complaining about complaining tends to attract complainers.


Im not too sure if we will have spears and halberds. They were in concept art, but I don't think we'll see a return.

Wait, your entire opinion on Bethesda is based on some mistakes from ONE GAME? Theres no reason for that. Oblivion had many issues because It was being built for a console that was not released yet. Yet it was still an amazing game.

Building it for a console yet to be released has nothing to do with content. The content is the same no matter if you are building for the 360 or if you are building for it's replacement. Some things might change, yes. The core game will never change, unless of course the vision you have changes and it seems for Todd that lately it changes from game to game.

There were a lot of people that praised Oblivion. Maybe not as many on these forums as in other places. But Oblivion never lacked for praise here either. Nor defenders. Especially before it was released.

No, not at all. Without getting sidetracked from the discussion, I'll just say I'm very glad Bethesda listened to the criticisms of Oblivion otherwise we would never have gotten: 1) Knights of the Nine 2) Shivering Isles and 3) Fallout 3. Well...we may have gotten them, but they wouldn't have been nearly as good as they were. And I can say that I think Skyrim will be a better game because of the criticism Oblivion received here on these forums.

And must I even mention Horse Armor DLC? What about PS3 DLC? Thank god Bethesda listens to well-deserved criticism.

I'm farily certain the OP is talking about the 'wild outburst' types of posts. Nothing wrong with a well articulated critisism - which many people successfully post here. But it's no secret across the net that the offical TES forums are a particularly rabid place, more so than most.

And whats wrong with that? Each game should be good in its own right, sure ES games could have references to each other but Skyrim shouldn't be oblivion 2.0, or Morrowind 2.0, it should be Skyrim. Its good that he looks at each game with a new mindset.

Its remarkable how quickly fast travel threads get locked but this one is still open.
Or have we not been ill-mannered enough yet?

This should have been locked a long time ago.

Ah, I don't know. If I was them, I'd be fairly laid-back and amused. After all, the games sell, the forums are full, and it must be a bit of a power-trip to create something that can cause people to reach such extreme emotional states.

The discussion has been relatively reasonable and sane, so I see no reason why it should've been closed.

Besides, it'll be closed soon via posting limit anyways...

I'm glad someone finally tells and explains the situation. The devs needs more supprt and more critique with grounds and reasons. I love Bethesda and their work, and I'd hate to see them be demoralized by some unhappy fans. Cheer up. Wish for the best' *fingers crossed* Skyrim will be the best game ever.

I was one of them, and continue to be one. Oblivion has issues. All games have issues. That didn't mean it was a terrible game. I rather enjoyed it, or I wouldn't have spent all this time modding it.



Odd, because everywhere I've ever seen thinks this place is very well behaved and generally above average with regard to behavior.

Well, the OP is complaining about complainers. And yes, I am complaining about the complaining about the complainers.

They get locked because there are already active Fast Travel threads and they don't like having multiple threads on the same subject.

Sales really speaks volumes... if you consider the sell-through of Obvlivion, I doubt there is much low moral at Bethesda.

CRPGs come in a lot of varieties and flavores. I've enjoyed the TES games over the years for what they have to offer. At the same time, TES games are not my favorite types of CRPGs either. But that's just me.

Some of the nutty behavior I've seen on these boards over the years is akin to watching someone freak out at a McDonalds because they can't order a taco.