This is a great game, and it deserves to win game of the year, in my opinion. Still, there's an endless amount of petty complaining about minor details. For example, there are complaints about lack of aquatic life (even though the gameplay occurs on land), dragons are too easy (even though you can increase the difficulty slider at any time), sneak is over-powered, smithing is over-powered, can't marry specific NPCs, etc. If these complainers all had their wish, the game would have been delayed 10 years. Then they would have complained about the delay and poor graphics. Here's a friendly suggestion; instead of complaining, send Bethesda a thank you email for delivering an excellent game and provide them with some constructive feedback. Ask them for an expansion. Maybe we'll get it in the future, and maybe it will have your features. In the meantime, you should enjoy the game and wait for exciting mods and patches coming down the pipe.

Well said, although 99% of the whiners on here are just trolls.. you'd be best to just ignore them.

Complaining about complainers is still complaining.

Just providing some constructive feedback. I also have some selfish motives. I would love to see continued development of the series (more patches, expansions, more games in the future, etc). Bethesda won't do it if they think we hate the game. Feedback matters.

Well said. I totally agree. The game is simply...awesome. Like a good wine, it will only get better with age. Have patience..Rome was not built in a day, and contrary to popular belief, neither is a video game of this magnitude.

Yes. This game is AWESOME. They did a great job. There are some problems, and as for the bugs, it's a bethesda game, i think this is their best launch so far lol. It's not like they are not going to fix them.

If the only thing everyone did was say how good things are then there would be no innovation. I don't agree with people whining about problems but if they make a legitimate point in an organized way then I applaud them.

Oh please. Go troll someplace else. How much more reDUMBnant can you get?

He was not complaining, he was offering a different perspective. People expect the world. They don't realize that dev's have time contraints placed on them, have deadlines and goals they are being pushed to achieve. Every time a game is postponed it costs money. I think considering the HUGE scope of this game, they did a darn good job. Sure there will be bugs..the game is HUGE!!!

Everytime someone complains eat some pie
Everytime someone complains about complainers eat some pie
Everytime you eat some pie make a post about how awesome your pie is and that you made the pie yourself in your Skyrim kitchen

This game should have a pie skill perk Bethesda DLC please :thumbsup:

I check the boards while at work from time to time (like now). Read a little. Contribute a little. Then I go home, wrap up my choirs as quickly as I can, check to make sure my wife is still with me, and play Skyrim till bedtime. So, haters and hate all they want. It's not making my game any better or worse.

Well said good sir.

Holy moly..how can you say this is not innovative??? See, it's people like you that really bug me...if they stray to far from Oblivion/Morrowind roots, you'd say they destroyed the formula and ruined a good series. If they don't create something different enough, people say it's not innovative. This is one of the most innovative games I've ever seen, and I've been playing RPG's since 1985 ish.

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No but really, my sig also offers a way to deal with the complainers.

How about they just add it in? What is it with you console people and wanting to waste your money.

There are plenty of legitimate complains that should not go unnoticed.

The funny thing is, instead of rationally providing a counter-argument, people resort to simply telling them to shut up and enjoy the game. It's ridiculous.

1) Stop complaining about complainers
2) A lot of the complaints are valid
3) I thanked Bethesda with my money. Stop feeling sorry for them

I couldn't agree more that there are some pretty serious bugs and problems with the game. I've encountered them, too. The game seems to crash for me every hour or two. I had a save game become corrupt, and I had to restore an earlier save. That was pretty annoying. But there's a right way and a wrong way to correct a problem and notify Bethesda. Unfortunately, most people blow it way out of proportion and start ranting and freaking out on the forums. Most people would see their problems resolved or at least reduced to an acceptable level if they would just calm down, update all drivers, contact Bethesda, and ask for help on these forums.

After a while it gets old. Yes, of course there are issues with the game...why do you have to focus on the negative instead of looking at all the positives?

some of the bugs are preventing people from playing.

glady this is not me, but i'm not going to just tell them to "stop whining".

So...........what's the over/under on the time table for this thread to be locked?

I don't feel sorry for Bethesda. To the contrary, I feel sorry for the complainers, who apparently cannot tell a good game when they see one. They are too busy coming onto this forum to complain.

There is a difference between focusing on the negative and bringing issues to the attention of the devs.

I'd say right now:
40% of the complainers are focusing on the negative.
50% are trying to bring attention to something they feel is wrong
10% are trolls

Whereas 90% of the people complaining about the complainers are only focusing on the negative and 10% are trolls.

+/- 10% Troll factor.

The way I see it, point #2 is exactly why we should be appreciative. They already have our money. They have very little incentive to correct any of these bugs, and the fact that they still continue to release patches speaks to their good intentions to produce high quality games.

And a lot of the complaints are overblown exaggerations or have no basis in reality.

Yeah. Great game. Sure. But it still has it's problems and as such people are entitled to post about said problems. Complaining about people complaining is even worse than the people complaining about petty issues. At least they are complaining about issues they validly care about. Also if people hated the game, they wouldn't put so much effort into complaining. people love this game, and for some it falls short. I'm one of those people. Graphically, it's awesome. But...

The quests are far too short. And just like with Oblivion, they don't mesh. Nobody seems to know what it is you're doing even though you tend to be doing the most important things in the realm at the time. Then the factions you completed quests for don't really have squat to say for it besides random lines that revert back into the same usual tone when you actually speak with them.

Magic blows. I really hate how they did it. I don't know why there aren't lower versions of stronger spells and I don't know why they removed most the spells from the game. Most spells left or added in the game I have no actual use for and the ones I would use are higher level spells that can only be obtained once you reach a certain skill level. But how am I supposed to reach that skill level if there are no spell I want to currently cast. Take illusion for example, the only 2 spells I would use are muffle and invisibility. The rest may have their purposes, but I don't have uses for them. Maybe call to arms if I have a follower. But I can't even buy invisibility on my current file because I haven't spam cast muffle enough times to jack my illusion skill up just so I can use one spell. So now I'm running around just casting muffle so I can level illusion enough to get invisibility which i could cast now if they would sell me the damn spell. Speaking of which, how are you going to make is so that the college mages WILL NOT SELL YOU [censored] while a specific quest is in progress. That really makes thins hard should you not want to do the quest right then, and need to train or buy new spells. I've been to every court wizard looking to buy a spell that none seem to sell but i know Drevis has but he won't sell it to me right now, or even talk to me BS.

The leveling system is also quite broken, especially if you prioritize crafting. You can easily end up at a fairly high level without the skills or defense to survive the battles. I can go into detail about that, but i wont. Point is, not everybody is you and thinks the game is perfect. And just because the complain, does not mean they do not like it. If they didn't like it and didn't care, they wouldn't be up here posting about it.