(silly) to Michael : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:05 pm

You know, entire religions have been started on less of this.
Have you ever, you know, been tempted to go on a hubbard?
I mean, it must be what prophets have felt like in bygone ages to have such a command of language, such an intuite of the mythic that we desire.

I know the answer, I think.
Id just like your words.
If its not too out of place.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:17 am

This is a great idea. Anyone who doubted obscure texts could be instantly sued.

» Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:32 pm

This is a great idea. Anyone who doubted obscure texts could be instantly sued.

Nah thats not what I mean but still : rofl:
Can you imagine?

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:46 am

I would be disgusted. If you want to get rid of me and all my names, for all time, just declare you're a prophet... wait, that might tempt him to do it.

» Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:30 pm

I would be disgusted. If you want to get rid of me and all my names, for all time, just declare you're a prophet... wait, that might tempt him to do it.

I Did put (silly) as a prefix.
I just wanted to know how temptation feels.
With a little jib and a quibe, its all in good fun.
We know hubbard couldnt handle.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:02 pm

Yeah, I get it. I wanted to be clear I had no hand in his imminent religion's rise. Maybe I have, and it's too late.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:18 am

Indeed.
(Hey Im a Granny Weatherwax follower first and foremost whatever. And that means she would chase me off with her broom included`. She wouldnt be having with any followers, and neither would they, quickly)

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:12 am

This is a great idea. Anyone who doubted obscure texts could be instantly sued.

As opposed to now in the Lore forum where you're merely insulted and scorned if you dont take everything Kirbride pulls out of his ass as the word of god.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:25 pm

As opposed to now in the Lore forum where you're merely insulted and scorned if you dont take everything Kirbride pulls out of his ass as the word of god.

Well, I like the lore, I just don't like all the nonsense (Love Letter, for instance) that he writes. But that's just me ;P

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:00 am

There's a thin line between non-sense and poetry, one that is often subjective.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:04 pm

There's a thin line between non-sense and poetry, one that is often subjective.

What about non-sense poetry?

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:58 am

Poetry is the use of words to invoke imagery or create an aesthetic effect. Poetry cannot be nonsense, but due to the subjective nature of images and aesthetics (which are actually objective but we won't go into neurology and philosophy right now) what is poetry for one person is nonsense for another.

» Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:05 pm

I think this is a splendid idea.

And if you ever need a high priest, MK... I can pretend to believe what I know ain't so with the ~~best~~ worst of 'em!

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:17 am

Poetry is the use of words to invoke imagery or create an aesthetic effect. Poetry cannot be nonsense, but due to the subjective nature of images and aesthetics (which are actually objective but we won't go into neurology and philosophy right now) what is poetry for one person is nonsense for another.

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:22 am

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

That's exactly what I had in mind.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:24 am

As opposed to now in the Lore forum where you're merely insulted and scorned if you dont take everything Kirbride pulls out of his ass as the word of god.

WHAT IS YOUR MAJOR MALFUNCTION, N'WAH?

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:38 pm

As opposed to now in the Lore forum where you're merely insulted and scorned if you dont take everything Kirbride pulls out of his ass as the word of god.

Considering that MK is responsible for many of the mystical elements of lore - parts of Redguard, lots of Morrowind, the nature of the enemy in Oblivion, and probably the nature of Alduin - his word carries more weight than 99.999999% of the other people on the forums. That is worth something, is it not?

And sign me up for the sub-sect that tries to mantle Natalie Portman

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:38 pm

Poetry is the use of words to invoke imagery or create an aesthetic effect. Poetry cannot be nonsense, but due to the subjective nature of images and aesthetics (which are actually objective but we won't go into neurology and philosophy right now) what is poetry for one person is nonsense for another.

Poetry can certainly be nonsense. It's not a matter of subjectivity, where one sees it as nonsense and the other doesn't; it's a matter of stupidity, where one is smart enough to realize it's nonsense and the other isn't.

Now you may be able to argue the merits of nonsense poetry but that's another discussion entirely.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:55 am

As opposed to now in the Lore forum where you're merely insulted and scorned if you dont take everything Kirbride pulls out of his ass as the word of god.

Which lore forum?

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:03 am

MK's work certainly has a lot to teach us about real-world religion -- not to mention real-world storytelling and real-world poetry. Certainly a lot of the Obscure Texts are imbued with the language and spirit of religious scripture, not just in the superficial sense of being about fantasy gods and the creation of the world and so on, but also in the urgency with which they tell these tales, as if the very act of telling them were somehow significant or powerful. Which in Tamriel, of course, it is.

I'm a fan, personally. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the culture that would have created something like "And We Ate It To Become It," for instance.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:36 am

MK's work certainly has a lot to teach us about real-world religion -- not to mention real-world storytelling and real-world poetry. Certainly a lot of the Obscure Texts are imbued with the language and spirit of religious scripture, not just in the superficial sense of being about fantasy gods and the creation of the world and so on, but also in the urgency with which they tell these tales, as if the very act of telling them were somehow significant or powerful. Which in Tamriel, of course, it is.

Well most of the aspects behind Chim and the dreamsleeve amount to "New Age theology 101", so it's not surprising. I was listening to a lecture series a while back and when the professor got around to describing the more prevelant worldviews amongst them I could have copied and pasted it as a description of the dreemsleeve/godhead here and nobody would be able to tell the difference.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:41 am

Well, I like the lore, I just don't like all the nonsense (Love Letter, for instance) that he writes. But that's just me ;P

There is not a single word of nonsense in the Loveletter.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:17 am

There is not a single word of nonsense in the Loveletter.

No, not nonsense to its creator, but surely varying degrees of intelligibility to the audience. Can you truly explain every last word of the Loveletter?

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:02 am

No, not nonsense to its creator, but surely varying degrees of intelligibility to the audience. Can you truly explain every last word of the Loveletter?

Not understanding something has no direct bearing on it's station as nonsense.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:03 am

There is not a single word of nonsense in the Loveletter.

WHAT IS YOUR MAJOR MALFUNCTION, N'WAH?

Considering that MK is responsible for many of the mystical elements of lore - parts of Redguard, lots of Morrowind, the nature of the enemy in Oblivion, and probably the nature of Alduin - his word carries more weight than 99.999999% of the other people on the forums. That is worth something, is it not?

Which lore forum?

Why, I have no idea whatsoever. :rolleyes: