While I was researching and just generally looking around on the wikis about the divines and creation stories of the races and Nirn, I was looking at Lorkhan; when it came to me. When I read "The Heart did not remain hidden, however. During the First Era, while excavating the caverns under Red Mountain in Morrowind, the Dwemer located Lorkhan's Heart." I noticed the similarity to the Arkenstone that the Dwarves found in the events following up to the Hobbit. With Lorkhans heart being considered the Heart of Nirn while the Arkenstone is Considered the heart of the Lonely Mountain. Both found by the Dwarves of each lore. I thought how much of this could be a coincidence.

So guys, I ask, what quarrels, or cool things that you've found in the Lore of TES. I wanted to share this with you guys.

PS. Also, have you guys noticed how well the creators are doing by keeping us in the Dark about much science. Tolkien's things took place on Earth, so we all know the science behind things but with TES we believe as much as an Ancient Greek about the Divines and their involvement in the world.

I love how Lorkhan is like Loki and Thor combined due to his multiple aspects being Lorkhan and Shor. Trickster and warrior god. There's Shezzar too, but I don't much care for the Imperial's watered down version of Shor.

Well... having multiple gods who all tend to be good, yet varying in what they represent, could be compared to the Valar. Stendarr = hybrid Manwe/Orome, Arkay = Mandos, Dibella = Vanya, etc. Some of the Daedric Princes - particularly Molag Bal and Mehrunes Dagon from what I've seen - are similar to (much) weaker versions of Morgoth. Talos is much like... gah, I keep forgetting his name... the Mariner with a Silmaril on his brow who is now a star. The one who killed Ancalagon. Father of Elrond and Elros. Anyway, point is, he started out as a mortal man, then ascended to much greater power.

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The war against Alduin could be seen as anologous to the war against Morgoth. Fighting his minions while they seek him out, eventually attacking his fortress, etc... in the first war defeating him temporarily, in the second banishing/killing him....

TES and Tolkiens universe aren't really similiar, in my opinion. I mean, is there someone like Vivec or Pelinal Whitestrake in Tolkiens universe and is there something like Illuvatar in the TES universe?

what about orcs story ???? "they were elves ones taken by the dark power"

This says it all. Though Skyrim orcs are a lot smarter than Arda orcs.

The Orsimer were once just worshippers of Trinimac, but when Trinimac became Malacath, they were also changed to what they are now. Nothing evil about that, I think.

i know that i was talking about the similarities

They still aren't similiar. Orcs in TES live in isolated Strongholds, are very good blacksmiths and warriors and like to serve in the Imperial Legion. Orcs in Tolkiens universe are corrupted elves(who are way more ugly than TES Orcs), they serve Sauron and live in Mordor.

Orcs are completely different from one universe to another. In TES, they are now their own people, serve under orc rulers, and have their own societies, or strongholds. In Tolkien's universe, they do their masters bidding. They are mindless warmongers who want to do nothing but kill, kill, and kill some more.

Exactly.

Mind you that Orcs started out that way in TES as well. They didn't become their own civilized culture until Morrowind.

Similar themes to LOTR perhaps reinterpreted and paid significant homage to by Bethesda IMO.

Just one example that springs to mind. I think that people who read LOTR or watched Peter Jackson's interpretation would find it difficult to argue that Bethesda lifted the design and layout of Whiterun directly from http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Edoras.

Building on your idea OP, I wonder if TES would have ever been created without Tolkein?

Honestly, I'm not sure if TES would ever have been created without Tolkien. Somebody has to start everything, be the first to do it, and Tolkien was the creater, the mastermind of this particular genre.

The lores, in terms of specifics, are different from TES and Tolkien, but there's no doubt Tolkien was looked as a basis, or a starting ground for TES.

Actually, Goblins - who are closely related to Orcs, in fact, Orc is the Elvish word for Goblin (Orc in Elvish = yrrch or similar) form their own cities and such, like in The Hobbit. They're not excellent blacksmiths, but they are formidable fighters and very warlike.

Moving away from that specific argument, Tolkein is the earliest source of Orcs that I know of - thus, anything that uses Orcs is eventually a spinoff of LOTR, in some way. Also, High Elves living in their own place... *cough* Valinor *cough*. Archer-based Bosmer... that would be the Sindar. Dark Elves... Moriquendi. A rivalry between Wood Elves and High Elves (it was mentioned in the main questline that "He's a Wood Elf, he has plenty of reason to hate the Thalmor"... well, the Sindar and Eldar weren't exactly friendly at first meeting.

Apparently I hit the "quote" button rather than the "edit" button.

Trinimac became Malacath

When Melkor became Morgoth he started making Orcs. Well, not when he got named Morgoth, but when he started acting that way.

Absolutely, on the surface level, a lot of TES Mer divisions hail from Tolkien. More than Tolkien, though, they pay homage to D&D - Drow are far closer to the Dunmer than the Moriquendi are.

It's when you get into the juicy details that things get very different. As another poster said, the very closest thing to Vivec in Middle Earth is Tom Bombadil, and that's only because both are quite esoteric. Illuvater as a concept is absent from TES Cosmology - Adu and Padomay don't even come close to relating to him.

Even the "royal" Dragonborn bloodlines have very, very little in common with the Edain and Numenor after them. I don't see Beor or Halath being made anologous to the Slave-Queen anytime soon!

Dragons, I think it's safe to say, are fundamentally different in purpose, if not origin, between the two mythos.

That said, it is now my head-canon that Legolas is a Third-Era Bosmer

I know. But Trinimac was eaten by Boethiah, who then took Trinimac's form and pretty much trolled Trinimac's worshippers. Malacath also didn't "make" the Orsimer to what they are now, It's rather a side effect of Trinimac becoming Malacath.

Still... god changes, elves change. It's not an exact copy of Lord of the Rings. You know how the biggest theory in physics right now (string theory) started? ONE PARTICLE matched an equation.