http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2011/11/skyrim-is-awesome/ is from the guys at Video Games Awesome at Blistered Thumbs. While they are entertaining and make good videos, they are also a prime example of why Bethesda constantly has to "dumb down" Elder Scrolls games. I can't imagine setting these players in front of a game of Daggerfall and seeing them escape out of the first dungeon. Hell, I'd be surprised if they could create their own class let alone get out of the first dungeon in Daggerfall. If we want Bethesda to return to developing TES games for PC first (and console second), we need to start educating console players on what PC role playing games are all about.

NOTE: This is NOT a troll post. There is a clear difference in mindset between a console RPGer and a PC RPGer with respect to how they approach things in a game.

EDIT: OK, a lot of people are immediately jumping all over me calling me stupid and claiming my logic is flawed. You're not actually hearing me out. You are assuming I'm just trying to start another PC vs console war. I'm not. I'm saying that there are reasons why the phrase "dumbed down for consoles" exists. It's because the average gamer is a console gamer. The people in the video I linked to our pretty typical console gamers in my opinion. My whole point is that instead of "dumbing down" games, we should be bringing the console gamer up.

What I'm saying is that had Skyrim been developed for the PC first (and then ported to consoles) we would have a better overall game that even console players would enjoy more.

I agree fully to this. And yes I did read through it, thoroughly even, it is correct.

Yes, because what equipment you currently own is capable of changing your thought processes and how you approach problems, or your playstyle in general. :rolleyes:

I use a console.

I played Daggerfal for a long while. I liked it.

I like Skyrim.

Your anology is absurd and flawed.

I'm a console player who pours hundreds of hours into RPG's I love the expansive world and the NPC's as well as developing my own skills. These threads are just pathetic tbh.

Exactly. The equipment doesn't matter. It's the mindset of the average user of that equipment. There are distinct differences between a pure console player and a pure PC player. Since console players outnumber PC players, game developers gravitate and develop games primarily with them in mind.

Yes. Let's blame all console players based on these three guys.


Moron.

And what is your point? Are you saying you don't like the game and it's too dumbed down for you? So I assume you are not playing it, right? You are out looking for something more complex, I take it.

I hope you find a nice game that is not dumbed down for console players. I guess there are plenty of PC games out there for you.

You're implying that people who play games on consoles are less intelligent than people who play games on a PC. That is completely false.

sorry i forgot all console players such as myself are all morons.

No, I love the game. But I also recognize the clear facts that Bethesda is drastically "streamlining" the game for the console audience. Skyrim would have been a much better game had it been developed for the PC first and THEN ported to console.

Yeah, go force your ideas on someone else just because of the system they use.

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I'm a pure console player.

Your elitist attitude is repugnant and your views are skewed by prejudice.

+1

I seriously don't understand the platform war. Mods make TES games much better in the long run, which is why I have a PC copy as well. but for now, no difference.
video games in general are now mainstream and not the sole property of old PnP nerds like me and a few others. Deal with it people.

cant be easy to be a devoted pcplayer these days...always something to whine about
reminds me of old angry people, always complaining.

Sounds to me like it's more the mindset of the devs

you are an elitist if you think all console gamers are halfwits.

Yep, as as has been said above, there can't be a generalized demographic of console players, or PC players for that matter. If that were true by any means, and being a console player myself, PC gamer's would be a bunch of whiny and arrogant adolescents who seem to be veterans of life and all there is in gaming. Something that is not true at all.

No, there is no difference; just a difference between people who play one RPG game and trying to get used to another.

The idea that games get dumbed down for consoles only comes from the idea that the manufacturer is aiming for the larger more casual audience. It really has less to do with the fact that it was designed for consoles and more for who it was designed for.

Your assertion that computer RPG's specifically are more complex then console RPG's gives me a little bit of a giggle in that regard. If you look at the history of the RPG and compare computer vs console you will find it weighted more in favor of the console RPG's then the computer ones in a lot of places.

The main assertive difference between computer games and console games is a combination of graphics and controls. The only lack of complexity in a game like Skyrim would come from the lack of complexity in controls. Personally I have found both Oblivion and Skyrim to make invredible use of intuitive controls that are quick to get into and out of. In fact I find the games more comfortable to play with a controller then a mouse/keyboard. The only exception being when I try to catch butterflies or bugs for alchemy ingredients.

The elite PC players need to tell us how dumb we are. :rofl:

I never called console players stupid or dumb. There's a reason I put "dumbing down" in quotes because it's just a general phrase used to explain the concept of making a game for console that could be a bit more complex on PC. The point is to show players (regardless of platform) that a game can be huge, complex, immense and still be fun. It doesn't have to be "streamlined" for the sake of being streamlined.

Finally, some recognition.

(kidding, kidding)

Exactly. Luckily the OP is a minority, and most players aren't dikes. There are so many different reasons why someone may choose to play on a console or PC, and the idea that any of these people can be categorised according to playstyles, attention span, intelligence or anything else is ridiculous.