Of course, there's an even simpler explanation for lack of street lights: the city turned them off. That's what cities do in wartime. No-one has ever found the switch to turn them back on.

I honestly don't see how New Vegas is any different from previous Fallout games in this regard; the war between the NCR and Legion is no small fight, it's much bigger and much more important than the war between the Brotherhood and Enclave in Fallout 3. Not to mention I'd call impacting both the entirety of the NCR and Caesar's Legion in addition to the Mojave pretty "epic", but I don't know... maybe I'm just crazy like that.

As for never feeling heroic, well that depends on how you play the game doesn't it? I performed selfless "heroic" acts in New Vegas; maybe the main quest doesn't put you on a pedestal, but then again neither did the Fallout 1/2 main quests... you were just the poor sod unfortunate enough to have been chosen to find the water chip and stop the super mutants, and in the case of Fallout 2 find the GECK and stop the Enclave.



And how is this any different from how you can convince Autumn to stop fighting at the end of Fallout 3? At least Lanius is harder to convince than Autumn was.



That's the point, there is no right or wrong answer to what's best for the region.



How does reputation make committing crimes "easier" exactly? Karma has never really impacted much of anything in the series, and it certainly never made committing crimes more "difficult"; especially not in Fallout 3 where you could change your karma on a whim by donating water to beggars.



Would you have preferred the storyline stated that the Legion ran over your dog with a chariot? The game leaves your character's life open to interpretation so that you can fill in the blanks. You provide your own motivation for the Courier, and if you don't want to do that then I don't know what to tell you; just because the game doesn't spoon feed you a motivation doesn't mean one can't exist.

That's my two cents anyway. I can't say that I find the things you consider to be a disappointment problems; thus I voted "no".



Except you kind of have to unless you want bounty hunters chasing after you for the rest of your life.



Fallout 3 also had a more pre-defined protagonist, and a much more linear main quest which could and did clash with the player's vision of their character.

I wasn't part of the original topic but what are you arguing for? Even the sewers lights still have power, there is obviously some kind of power grid in affect, even the one's under the supposedly nuked White House.

That's true. I'll go with that.

I think he was being sarcastic.....

I agree the story line has a great start,but when it executes,its just like wtf,its all about that platium chip,the chip that is 204 years late.Fallout 3 story line was better,it felt like you were doing something to help,not just fight for one of the 4 morons you think is the best for controlling a place to piss your caps away.
Im just hopeing the DLCs really help out with the story,because the Dead Money Dlc was nothing short of anoying,pointless.
The fighting between the NCR and Legion seems to be pretty pathetic to me,i get more challenge out of fighting cazadors than faceing a centurions squad of mindless idiots.

Regardless i think it highlights the lack of motivation many feel with the storyline :shrug:

Better than letting Optimus Prime to do the job IMO



Some people want to help, I want to not help, I preffer the villain way instead of the Hero, thats the problem with Fallout 3, YOU AR DA HERO OF DA WASTLAND

After getting shot in the head for a platium chip that you have no idea what it is,and its not yours why the hell would you go looking for the guy?The revenge of killing Benny was not fulfilling.

I had more fun watching Anti Communism Prime than doing all 4 of the endings in this game.
And just to add,you can almost guess the entire storyline within 2 hours of gameplay.

That's you.

And its your opnion that you didnt.
This whole topic is opnion.
But the Fallout 3 story line was better to me.

Doesn't anyone actually looked at the pinned topics at the top of the General forum? You know the one that says DON'T POST ANY SPOILERS.

I am moving this to the correct forum.

DC was hit by like 4 and it had functioning street lights. >.>

After someone restored the power for the Citadel.
The power is weird anyways.

:rofl: (sigh).... oh my...too true...if it was so great, why is it for sale? and how come there discontinuing using it as a game engine in future titles? I think it's logical to say that it's because something was wrong with it, correct?

I thought the story was good from the point of view it was rich in detail and was (within a certain context) believeable while allowing a huge degree of choice. It did lack a certain motivation. I didn't feel compelled in quite the same way as per playing FO3. Might be the downside of having such a wide range of choice.

Overall it's a great game, as was FO3. I wish there were more games of this quality.

Now I'll agree with he lamp post thing, I recall Novarro in Fallout 2 was simply lined with them. But really that's the biggest problem with Fallout 3? The fact of the matter is the world of Fallout 3 is down in the dumps as far as society goes, despite previously an upward curve of progress. But guess what, that's the way it is. Why? Because that place was hit HARD. Ravenous super mutants [censored] on your face if you leave your house, and there are unexploded rockets just kickin' around downtown. Did anyone ever think that maybe this place was intended to be a rougher society than others? The people at Bethesda are damn geniuses, you guys don't give them enough credit. And of course now I will be flamed no doubt for enjoying Fallout 3 more than the previous games for god knows why. You guys just don't seem able to 'accept' it as one of the series. I can't say I understand you guys.

@.::AleisterCrowley::. You're just being an ass. If you read my posts you'd see I said it's the perfect engine FOR ME. Not because of how it runs or anything I'm quite aware it's in a rough and aged condition, I'm saying the mechanics are perfect, well as close to perfect as you can get as of now. The whole speak to anyone, kill anyone, take anything, like it's one of those few shining engines that let you do it all, and best of all it's for console. Not sure how much more clear I can make myself.

Fallout 3 was has a better story and the way the city is with all the questing was better in my opnion,atleast in fallout 3 you get to help for the common good,new vegas just dosent feel as fun as fallout 3,even with all the new features.Id say DC is a better place for this type of game over a city that has almost no importance(besides Hoover).I think the mojave wasteland may be to tame compared to fallout 3,just not as many major problems to fix.

I get what you're saying there, and one huge thing is this. Fallout 3 had constant battles when walking the wasteland. We know DC vaults had FEV testing sites, so super mutants run rampant. On top of that about three prominent factions of people who will attack on site and you get how the Capital Wasteland functions. Now moving on to the Mojave Wasteland, a much more civil place. They used the same engine and it almost seems as if they couldn't significantly change the frequency at which you're attacked by random encounter enemies. So we have 'Powder Gangers' and 'Viper Fang' (or whatever they're called) people nearly owning the wasteland when in the story, there really shouldn't be that many. Every step that you take some jumpsuit wearing [censored] tries to blow you up.

One of the things NV did better is that you have more than just one way (or two if you count whether you use the virus) to complete the mainquest
And while moral ambigous choices sometimes make your decisions harder, they also make them more interesting.

The sad thing is ive actully walked to freeside from goodsprings in hardcoe mode at level 4....The only thing that attacks you is a few idiots way over there head.
While if you tried to cross the river by the super-duper mart in fallout 3,you got riddled by super mutants.You actully had to level up to advance.
Not to be a a-hole but why did fallout new vegas get beat by grand theft horse,while fallout 3 got game of year.

I'll agree there, and it sounds great on paper but it only really makes it that far. No faction is really a good one. No matter what you do you eel like you're in the wrong place when attempting to play a good character. Some may say 'THAT'S THE POINT' but what a stupid point to go after. The choices never feel like they're far reaching AND it's very hard to un-do even small choices. As soon as I got the Caesar's Legion recruitment quest I went on down planning to try to kill as many of those sick bastards as I could then pop back out and visit the NRC. Well apparently in the world of New Vegas the second you say something your mind is made and suddenly you live that choice and believe it. And what else? Somehow everyone knows it when you make a choice like that. I had not way of leaving and NRC started attacking me. Cool.

Heres a perfect example with the powder gangers.Heres the quest involved http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/I_Fought_the_Law,to get to NCRCF you most likely will find hostile powder gangers,if you shoot them you get hated by the powder gangers, and this quest automatically fails due to ALL powder gangers becoming hostile,which you get this quest from Eddie.The only way to get this quest is to go out of your way to avoid the hostile powder gangers.Or stealth boy their.Or complete quest that give you good Powder Gangers rep,but pisses off other factions like Legion in http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Booted.

Right I remember that. I tried it on my evil character. Stupid quest.