I've been playing TES since Morrowind and I really enjoy Skyrim, but that being said unlike some die hard fans I am willing to adapt to change and learn to enjoy what's in front of me. Sure there's things missing that I enjoyed in the earlier ES games but that doesn't effect my opinion of the new ones either. Games evolve and expand, your willingness to follow suit should as well evolve with the series.

By the by.......Using the phrase " console hell " implies a little touch of PC elitism on your part. Thus you should be ready to defend from less understanding console players.

seriously?

Life is all about change. Maybe you just don't see all the improvements? I didn't play Morrowind when it came out, I have played it since then. I liked it, it was ok. Maybe IF I played it on PC, and added mods it would be fantastic. The "styles" of the games have changed alot. Oblivion is the same way, except the change is alot less extreme. I still play Oblivion, actually played awhile last night.

Bethesda still had million left after they made Skyrim. Skyrim is a great game and I disagree with everything you said. If you don't like it then don't play it, but why come and tell the entire community you're going to quit?

You played Morrowind? Good! Now we can talk!

You certainly remember that in Morrowind, you could equip yourself with a spear, throwing knives, two different bonemold pauldrons and a netch cuirass, all worn over a sorcerer's robe. You'll remember. too, that with a high enough Speechcraft skill, you had the option of intimidating or provoking every NPCs in the game. These NPCs did not change level in relation to you, neither - if you provoked someone way over your level, you'd get trashed! You'd also remember, I'm sure, the immersive, less-than perfectly explained ways to get to your next assignement instead of that foolproof little geezer that conveniently tells you where to go so can teleport there in a click. Or the non-regenerative health. Maybe you'll remember the imaginative, almost alien wolrd settings like Telvannis housing or the stilt-striders. You'll also remember the user-friendly menus, never equalled ever since.

Of course, Morrowind was far from being perfect: killer potion-making and one-button fighting, the journal, limited character appearance and lack of magic juice for spellcasters. In the face of Skyrim, you couldn't craft much - but hey, it's now a very old game! Were all of Morrowind's good points exclusive with Oblivion- then Skyrim-era advances? Where is the imagination and options gone?

If younger players are getting, say, "boggled" with so much choice, well, let Bethesda make a one-button character creation/6-skills system game just for them, so they'll have the impression of playing a first-person Link, but please, why would play a Bethesda game when much of what compelled me to do so, what made them famous, is slowly being dumbed away?

And finally, since this is appearing to be a sensible string in here, I have no intentions nor interest in starting/participating in a PC/console war, if there is such a thing. Subject closed, except for the fact that Skyrim seems made for console more than for PC.

If that was the case, so that Bethesda knows why.

Don't be so affraid about others telling what they think.

Well true, in Morrowind you could use a spear, though I found combat to be pretty bland regardless of weapon choice. The customization of gear and the power of mercantile/speechcraft did allow for more interesting character building and certainly provided more options. The leveling system was a little weird though as it basically encouraged you to use skills that were not major/minor to get the most of your level ups(which doesn't really make sense RP wise)

Well, you didn't like it, it's ok, you'll find some other game -c'est la vie

Aren't you overreacting a little yes they cut things from previews games but overall it still was a really fun game

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Like ? because only other game like skyrim that comes to mind is other elder scrolls and seriously Morrowind also wasn't really that much orginal or that much of perferct game put down your rose tinted glasses

I do miss all of what you rhymed off but I as well realize that with certain improvement ( such as graphics ) there is a little take as well. Had they implemented all of what you just listed there would be a blow to the graphics and scale of the world to accommodate for other things. You can't have your cake and eat it too you know ( well maybe as a Pcer you can with mods ). Look at the difference between Oblivion and Morrowind, I wasn't around the boards back when Oblivion was released but I can safely say that there where similar topics made but concerning Morrowind and Oblivion.

You my friend need to learn to adapt to the series as it evolves, just as I have to adapt to how the new Halo system runs. Same principle there, Halo 4 runs like a COD game yet because of my love for the series I am able to adapt and learn to love the new system as well. I can see where you are coming from but I also know that you are being stubborn and refuse to except change and adapt to the new system.

I agree - I am myself culpable of over-using these non-class skills, just to get the full leveling bonuses (y'see). Yeah, looking back, it was a bit like cheating huh? But so what? Those are single-player games - you only have yourself to fool. IMO that, as well as the levelling system, were part of the fun.

On combat - not much have changed between Morrowind and Skyrim; the most basic difference is that we pass from one-arm(button) combat to two-armed(buttons) one, and the addition of random animations. But was "all those advances" necessarly demanded the dumbing-down of so much options? Why o why, asks this old TES fan.

It's more than that. These threads that are started by new members (1st post ) are not going to drop any bugs directly into Beth's ear. Granted there are issues with the game and I share some of your concerns. However...

There are better ways to go about expressing them than signing up and starting a rant thread.

There are members, myself included, that are very passionate about the series and will not hesitate to express any discontent for a particular issue, or lack thereof. But creating a thread that is nothing short of a temper tantrum, will be taken as just that.

It is better to join the forums and find an ongoing discussion, or start one on a specific problem, in lieu of a broad list of things that can't really be nailed down to individual topics within the thread. It receives too much backlash from the community to hold any specifics. Thus the thread just becomes one rant after another with no concise direction.

And any time you start blaming a given platform, you are asking for trouble.

I would strongly suggest that the community just let this mess of a thread die the death it deserved from the 1st post as it really warranted no response after that.

May be to cater to a bigger fan base..... You know reach out to the not so hard core Rper's..........

I'll take your advice at heart, but what I want to express Bethesda here is that they have let me, the TES follower, in the favor of the casual, console player. You know, the guy that would have played Zelda.

Not that Zelda was a bad game - it was an excellent game in its time. But what I got in TES (as well as in Fallout) was something very different, something that you don't find easily elsewhere - player freedom in an rich, imaginative world. If Bethesda doesn't offer me that, I don't see why I should buy their next installments - and maybe a younger, more daring company will get my miserable patronage instead.

You tell me all of these graphics (that will be obsolete as soon as the next TES chapter unfolds, BTW) are taking all the juice that could have gone to playing options? My, that might well be true, somehow. And sad. Sad that graphics are indeed the only thing that consistantly got better.

That made no sense at all. Want to try again?

Once again, don't be so afraid of poeple telling what they think. Contrarly to what you seem to assume, this thread is so far polite and rational. In fact, the saddest thing about it right now are you hushers.

Let me worry about potential "troubles". Thanks.