I'm inclined to think the Dark Brotherhood's idea of Sithis is a bunch of nonsense, and the altar to Sithis in the Vile Lair add-on just seems absurd.

However, I'm not so sure it's clearcut whether Sithis is sentient. I'm not sure where I saw it, but I could have sworn I read one creation myth in which Sithis was the soul of Padhomay, and Lorkhan was the sould of Sithis. Also, hasn't Lorkhan been described, like Sithis, as the sum of all limitation?

I think it's pretty interesting actually as it depicts Lorkhan as the grim reaper. In a sense Sithis brought mortality back to the Aurbis though Lorkhan so considering Lorkhan the embodiment of Sithis isn't too strange.



You seem to have been reading Vehk's teachings.



Sorta like that. Although I think it's Magicka and Void for either.

Sithis was only added in Oblivion. And I consider Oblivion non-canon.

Incorrect. Sithis has been around for a while, at least since MW.

Na, Sithis was before Oblivion. Sithis was the void before, and only the DB worship Sithis as some kind of satanist diety.

Unfortunately Oblivion is canon, but hopefully TES V retcons most of it.

Wrong.http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Redguard:Characters#Dram

Ummm...Arena last I heard.

Hence the winky.

Sithis was only mentioned in the one Morrowind book, and suddenly finding the DB venerating him as some kind of God in Ob was a bit jarring.

Wow, this was news to me.

It is also a reason for his (Dram) expulsion from the Morag Tong----- I didnt think the Morag Tong worshiped Sithis.

Sithis was mentioned in several books. But, Sithis as god of angsty death throes did make people say what the hell...even going as far as calling him Mephala even though books state they're two different entities.

But, I'm with prow here and say it's a doofus version for Lorkhan.

Didn't the Dark Brotherhood contact/guildmaster in Daggerfall say something along the lines of "may MEPHALA bless your blade" ?

Most likely. The DB of Daggerfall were certainly daedra worshippers and summoners. I don't recall whether their patron was any particular daedra, but there are plenty, Mephala included, who would fit the DB philosophy (at least the DB philosophy pre-Oblivion).

If this was a hint to my previous statement, I feel like I need to explain myself. I did not say that void-Sithis and Mephala was the same being, I only meant that what the Cyrodiil Dark Brotherhood believe is a "god" called Sithis, is in fact Mephala in a clever disguise. Therefore, whenever someone "prays" to a shrine of "Sithis", they are really adressing Mephala.

Actually, it's not a hint to you since you're not the only person who thought it up. I've heard of it before you. Sorry, didn't believe it then, didn't believe it now. Mephala and Sithis are two distinct beings in several books. Mephala's not hiding. You're attempting to reconcile Sithis's place. I'm not advocating Sithis since it's not cool, but I think this idea of Mephala hiding is crap as well.

I'd say that the Night Mother is Mephala and what they consider Sithis Lorkhan. That way the whole unholy marriage thing the Darkbrotherhood mentions makes some sense.

I don't remember exactly if Sithis was mentioned by name in Arena, but Seth was a major god being worshipped in the Black Marsh and High Rock and we all know Seth is Sithis.

Well, she is the Prince whose sphere is "obscured to mortals", which with a little word-twisting easily could be read as "things obscured to mortals" . But yeah, you're right, what I'm doing is trying to make some sense out of why Sithis answers prayers, because the working altar of Sithis is, whether people like it or not, canon, since it was in the game.

We can't actualy think of sithis as a god of anything, the way i think of sithis is as a universe of pure energy, perhaps magicka, with a huge amount of power to both change and destroy, but not create. People think of sithis as more of a dark entity for thet particular reason, but in the monomyth, which i assume is acurate sithis is the biggest drivig force in the creation of nirn, or the entire universe of TES, as he started the stasis of Anuiel into action.



after doing my reseach on sithis, it has become very apperent that he is very far from nothing, i would like to put that idea to rest, as sithis is almost always described as chaos, and infinite change, and the only thing like that is pure energy, so sithis is nothing material yes, and he is absolutly nothing permanent, but he is just as much existant as light of fire, well as far as TES goes atleast lol

I'll fix this one day. Pinky swear.

So that's not a typo of Seht...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sethian

Thats why I was making fun of Azura in the other thread, based on Jubilees.

As long as if he ever gets a voice, that voice is Tim Curry in the style of LEGEND, I don't care what Sithis is.
Of course I'm kidding, but the voice, if they ever decide to go that far against the ideals, better not just be the guy who does the dog bark sound effects.

But deeper in, I'm truly now wondering if/how Sithis will affect TES V. >_>

I am of the opinion that the Dark Brotherhood secretly still serve Mephala, whether or not they are aware of it. The Morag Tong certainly follow her teachings, and their history is strongly tied to that of the Brotherhood. I don't believe Sithis actually has any sort of awareness. It is an anti-force, not a deity. If something speaks to the Listeners through the Lucky old Lady, it's not Sithis, but Mephala.

How do you explain the Wrath of Sithis?