i have seen over and over that sithis is not only the first thing to exist even before anu, and all the aedra/daedra nirn, the universe before any of that was just sithis, but he is more powerful than all aedra and daedra combined, is this true? is sithis really the most powerful being in existance? i know anu is thought to be the only equal power to sithis but even anu was in the void, sithis was the void itself, and before anu supposedly

Sithis is not a being, and a void has no power. Sithis is just one of several ways of describing the state of the universe before Creation took place. It is equally true to say that Anu existed first and Sithis came later.

This is why Emil was sent to write terrible things for other franchises.

Entropy is certainly a powerful force in the universe, but it has serious limitations as a godly portfolio - and that's assuming Sithis can be thought of as a god.

he is still regarded as well a he, sithis is more than just a word or a description, it is obviously an actual living god like being

I wouldn't take what a bunch of skooma addled assassins say about a god to seriously. I could refer Akatosh as a she but that doesn't magically make it true. (Well...)

The god Sithis is different from the concept Sithis, because a bunch of cultists spouting junk theology borrowed the name. They're really worshiping a warped version of Lorkhan. If he even exists, they created him.

how about the fact that he is also the same as padomay? or referred to anyways, never heard the dark brotherhood speak of padomay, so does he not exist either? and he is also opposite of anuiel, so does anuiel not exist either?
not being combative i just hear alot of people spout out about how sithis is more powerful than all daedra princes and stuff because he was before any and everything, im trying to argue why that can't be true

Anu and Padomay are just forces, really. And Sithis is sometimes referred to as synonymous with Padomay, or sometimes Sithis is the original unified state of the universe or sometimes he is paired with Anuiel, lower down in the hierarchy from Anu/Padomay (Never could figure what the point of that was). But none of these things are powerful beings. Anu and Padomay were the two halves of the universe containing everything else within themselves. Yes, they were first, but they are also gone. They split into a million pieces to become existence as we know it.

It's like saying yes, the Big Bang is more powerful than any of our nuclear bombs, but so what?

Oblivion's Dark Brotherhood talk about a Dunmeri (IIRC) philosophical-religious concept, and try to mash it together with a (valid) conception of Lorkhan as a chaotic spirit who brought death to the universe. The two don't mesh, and the Dark Brotherhood are being partly novel and heretical, and partly just ignorant. Factor in the possibility of a Daedric Prince screwing with them for fun (is there a source for this idea) and you have a fine explanation of one dev's emo outreach program.

The reason why he'd be revered to be the most powerful god would most likely that the vast majority that worships him are really just a bunch of hyped up radicals who love to say "WE KILL FOR SITHIS HUR DE DER." The idea of a all encompassing void being this mighty power is a attractive idea, but if it can't adversely affect areas on its own it wouldn't make a good case for it being the dominant force.



There is the idea that the Night Mother is really Mephala, but I'm not certain if that is accurate.

that makes sense, but isn't the night mother married to sithis? and had 5 children by him? it's hard to have children with a "void"

Thus, it's fair to say that the Night Mother isn't married to Sithis.

Who are the children? All I remember are baby skeletons.

The Five Fingers of the Black Hands of Mephala, assassins.

Sithis is really more of a force than a sentient entity (sentity?). Here are MK's thoughts on the most powerful being.

ok now that really doesn't make any sense haha, vivec? there are like 16 daedric princes infront of him, he is not nearly as powerful as any daedric prince. and aniuel is near bottom, but is 1 of the creators of universe lol

Dude. Vivec got CHIM. End of story. I suppose in the light of recent events he might be weakened which might be why he is so far down.

And Vivec put his spear down Azuras throat (I sure hope what I just wrote is allowed within forum rules). After such a thing, how can you say that he is weaker then the Princes?

Vivec has CHIM, which basically allows him to manipulate the rules of the universe at will. Auri-el is also a different being than Anu.

Anyway, I think that list was more of a quip and an attempt to throw a wrench into conventional thinking rather than a list of objective power levels.

well then wouldn't anu be the most powerful? or padomay? i may be [censored], but i just dont see how somebody would give birth, or create something more powerful than themselves lol

It is this essentially. And I wouldn't say they "Created" as much as they sprout out from.

"Powerful" isn't really a stable definition in the Elder Scrolls universe. Anu/Padhome created the world, but not through any conscious action. Lorkhan and Alduin and the rest of the et'ada created Mundus, but they essentially died from it, being greatly reduced. A prisoner has brought down gods, multiple times, and became a god himself.

Padomay and Anu are the fundamental polar opposites, IS NOT and IS, respectively.

Sithis and Anuel are best thought of as forces that spawned from the polar opposites, this time being Chaos and Stasis, or pure kinetic energy and pure potential energy, respectively

And lastly, you got the spawn of Sithis and Anuel, The God of Space and The God of Time. Akatosh/Alduin/Auriel create a flow, and Shezarr/Shor/Lorkhan defines and limits it.

All other spirits are combinations of Sithis and Anuel, some leaning to one over the other or a middle ground. We have seen the Anu aligned daedra in Shivering Ilse, and Padomay aligned aedra known as Shor/Shezarr/Lorkhan (though you'll never hear a mer call the space god "aedra.")

To say Sithis is the most powerful being is to say a fundamental law of nature IRL to be the most powerful being.

Think of Anu or Padomay (or Sithis) as gravity, or something similar to it. Yes, gravity is very important for life on Earth, but, we do not go around worshipping gravity as a god. Not even the Dark Broterhood skooma-psychos would worship gravity.

"Duuude, gravity is like so chill... We should like, totally, WORSHIP it, man!" No, just no.

aahh, so basically it's like saying whos stronger, me or the universe or me and the big bang, it's non comparable regardless if they made me or not.

but this is assuming sithis/padomay anuiel, are like non existant non visible forces. what would happen if sithis/padomay etc. actually started communicating with somebody just like the daedra? wouldn't that make this all invalid? i mean the big bang can't talk to you, the universe can't talk to you, gravity can't talk to you so if sithis/padomay, anuiel, started communicating to you wouldn't that make them something more? maybe they won't but even though they are crazy the db mems claim he talks to them before a kill, daedra princes acknowledge him as if they spoke to him, and there are even shrines

Chill? Chill?! Gravity is the Man that's been keeping us down, yo. What we should worship is the centrifugal force, dude, it makes the world go round.

Some people also claim that they hear voices before they go out and do terrible things. We like to call them crazy people. I think to some extent, the Dark Brotherhood looks and finds crazy schizophrenics to recruit. I mean look at Mathieu Bellamont. He was all kinds of crazy. Sure, he tried to bring the Dark brotherhood to its knees, but by that time he was already half out of his mind.