..is boring. I mean whats even the point of buying a prosttute for 300 caps when the only thing that happens is that the screen gets black for a second and then everything is normal again?. This is a common thing in video games. Is there some kind of law that forbidds six in videogames? I know of cencurship and so on but and i am not talking about seeing actuall penetration or porm. But i just dont get it, there is people having six in almost every movie so why is it okay to watch people having (or performing) six in a movie but not in a video game? Especially when the game is 18+!

There are a number of reasons, really, why this happens.


I will do my best to supply you with the ones I can... though there will always be more.


1.) Games are, despite all efforts to the contrary, still seen as being 'for kids'. Even though they've gone and had to create a system in which to rank these games, much as the motion picture industry did, the fact remains that the vast majority of the world views video games as being little more than overly glorified toys. And when kids get toys... the last thing their parents usually want them being exposed to... is six.

Which confuses me, as they will then proceed to leave the television on all day, which positively bombards a person with sixual suggestion... if not outright exposure to it. (depending on the show, this level can be anywhere from minimal, to outright pormographic.)


2.) six is always a touchy subject. I don't really know why... perhaps because we, as a species, are rather uncomfortable with ourselves. It's the rare nation, ethnicity, or group that can go the way of the Greeks or Romans and boldly ACCEPT six and sixuality as a part of daily life. Depending on where you go, these tendencies may be looser... or insanely strict. There's really no accounting for it, other than by basing your measurements upon the feelings of whoever is in power in a given area. In this case, morality and decency tend to be the words you will hear when debating this particular case.


3.) Feasibility versus 'taste'. Believe it or not, there is a certain amount of 'class' involved in the whole concept of six. Sometimes, game developers choose what is seen as a 'classier' way of handling the act... not because they're prudish... and not because they are forced to... but because it is the best way, given their medium, to portray the act. Other times, the tools they have to work with don't really LEND themselves well to graphic displays of sixual activity. Even if, as you say, they were not outrightly pormographic in nature.


Well... those are really the big three that come to mind, at the moment.

As I said, there are plenty more... however... those three are fairly good representations.

I'm sure other folks will provide (or already have, while I was typing this) more and better answers. But hell, maybe this will help.

I don't think graphic depictions of six are appropriate in this game.

As for there being a law - in some places yes. Australia for example does not have a classification for errotica in games (and in others, the mixture of violence and errotica would be banned), an unclassified game doesnt get sold by law. In other areas, such as the US standards of big retailers have a similar effect - Publishers want their game in the country's biggest retailer after all, and Wall Mart doesnt want to be associated with certain kinds of things.

It seems strange that in the western world, we're more happy with violence than six. One is bloody, and results in death. The other is happy and can result in life.

Why would it not be appropriate? I see no reason for that

I never seen the actual act in Western video games. If people are into that I suggest Japanese games, varies from mildly to hardcoe.

Personally I don't need to see graphic depictions or anything. However I do miss the 'humorous' suggestion of having six in FO3 and yes, it does exist in Western video games. For example: in GTA, rated 18+ but I know for a fact almost every kid plays these kind of games because I certainly did when I was a bit younger without any ill effect, you're invited in for a cup of coffee, pulling you out of the scene to serenade you with smutty pillow talk and so-called orgisming avatars or when picking up a hoker you see your car bouncing up and down. Black Isle, the previous Fallout developers, would have given you a dialogue tree, full of options: pillow talk, romantic seduction, a dramatic request or simply a humanizing conversation with a woman of the wastelands forced to sell herself night after night to feed herself. What happens in FO3? No intriguing dialogue at all and then the prosttute NPC follows you up to your room and lies down on the bed beside you like a lump of meat, the end! I mean, Bethesda could have made the scene a bit more humorous or suggestive without hardcoe graphics of course which also leaves some room for our imagination. As the 'scene' is now they should have dismissed the sleep option and/or the prosttute NPC entirely because it makes no sense and was an horrible attempt to please FO1&2 fans imo.

I'm glad anyway that I live in a Western country that isn't that prudish. Man, I walked through the red light district when I was like 5 years old and asked my mum what those girls were doing and she told me the plain truth. It has never effected me or gave me a childhood trauma whatsoever.. I believe the opposite is true. I bet in England there will be a big sign: 'Health and safety regulations prescribes: don't go there! You might experience an unusual growth in your ... (well you know) and break your thingie in the process' :laugh:

As for Australian laws I think they're totally nuts! They even censored certain meds (drugs) like morphine. If it was heroine I could somewhat agree but morphine although an opium derivative and addictive is mostly used for medical purposes. While they're at it they should censor alcohol too because it destroys more human lives than heroine does. By the way, the more something is forbidden the more people will seek it out imo. It's like your mum telling you to stay away from the cookie jar! Well.. did you? Lol..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_video_games#Australia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Australia

Those poor Aussies, must be fun living in a 'censorship' society.


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I find is weird that it's ok to blow up a town full of people with nuke, shoot as many people to the face and hack them to pieces with machete in video game but if you want to make sweet loove to your virtual sweetheart, it's all taboo ja outrageous.

But then again... you did see some mild six scenes in mass effect and dragon age!

So I quess chairmen in Bethesda and Obsidian are either fundamentalist god believers or brownnose to other "six is bad killing ok" politics.

It would detract from the game. Everyone would be focused on the six content, and the rest would get lost in the wash - Fallout would be labelled "That six Simulator", its critiques on the world, where its been, where its going would all be lost.

Kinda like with Bully - Because Rockstar made it, it became "That Columbine Simulator" - never mind the true actual game was nothing of the sort.


I think you're overplaying it a little. With video games, its just six, illegal/restricted/prescription drugs, and ridiculous levels of violence. As for the internet filter - Most brits don't realise it, but their internet is censored.

Well yes true, I was overdoing it a little. But I suggest they would make a rating system more like the movies. Dunno about Australian movie ratings but over here it starts from 6+ to 18+. It's what Colonel Tannanbaum said in a way: 'video games are still regarded for kids'. I mean if a movie has gotten the correct rating anything is possible: six, drugs or violence you name it. Most gamers today are middle aged men and women, with a job, mortgages to pay, maybe kids of there own. However I can understand that the target audience for Fallout is a bit broader than it used to be but then again they should lower the rating to 12 or something. I bet around this age most educated youngsters can grasp the content of FO3 & FONV as it is today.


It is? I only read about the '3 strikes your connection will be cut bill' they wanted to implement in Britain or whatever that was. Well, some content has been indirectly blocked (not going into details) from Germany here. However those ip filters are easy to get around.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Watch_Foundation

That's probably because advlts get jealous when kids have access to any kind of six. The reason is that the only thing that the advlts have which kids don't have is six.

Why include hokers in the game then?
Interactive ones, i mean.
I mean,come on, FISTO the sixbot!
I only tried one hoker to see what happened and as the OP said, nothing really happened, i don't even remember getting any bonuses (like you did in GTA, an extra boost to health). So whats the point?
I understand its to show the seedier side of Vegas and all that entails but it just seems tacky to me.

As from detracting from the game, i disagree. Mass effect and Dragon Age had well made six scenes which did'nt detract from the main story in any way, even another Obsidian title (i believe) Alpha protocol had one and if anything it made the decision whether to save innocent people or save your girl all the more difficult.

I dunno.. I haven't had the pleasure to meet Mr. Fisto the sixbot, yet.

MAYBE CAUSE I DONT WANNA SEE PIXELS NAKED

the only six 'black out' scene I liked was fisto

fisto >>> Red lucy

You do come out of the act as "Very Well Rested", so that's something at least.

absolutely,it is strange..human beings ,general attitude to six is odd and taboo yet mass carnage is apparently not

six is six and there is nothing wrong about it, Media and culture tabooed things. What is wrong in some cultures is okay in other cultures. They should have depicted six like in dragon age, not pormographic, but something beautiful. Heck or at least like fable or the sims!
Blame society.

six with a prosttute is just gratuitous though in most games, it can be removed or blackscreened without netting yourself an AO rating that requires you be sold behind-the-counter in many jurisdictions and banned outright from some of the touchier countries like Australia.

I don't think the games need that.

On the other hand the Fallout games were outstanding for incorporating six into the plot in an intelligent (and consequence-laden) way. Look at FO2: one of the endings DEPENDING on you having unprotected six with a drug addict! and arguably it was a "good" ending!

In addition with the three mentioned above in one post, some folks (ie me) don't want to see their character boinking their love interest for five minutes, seeing their faces locked in the position most of the time. While I don't see anything wrong with six, I see it as just part of human nature, there are some things I don't want to see in the game.

Now, they could compromise by saying "Would you like to skip ahead?" right before then so those that DO want to see their character doing it can and others just get a black fade-out.

But wait, yeah, even with that, people will throw fits about it.

Really, He can't be doing it right.
I usually come out of it knackered with cramp and a crick in my neck.
Or is it me not doing it right?
:laugh:

Why the hell did I read this as "Sax in Fallout" :blink:

Young'ins tend to forget that six is tied to inheritance rights, social diseases (pregnancy is a disease state), and the consequences of reproduction without being held responsible for the care of a child. It stems from back before modern medicine when women had something like a 33% chance of dying while giving birth and the odds of a child's survival were not any better. If you can not see the correlation well..... its ok, just think of it as enforcement of the law of unintended consequences. I know that if all of the negative outcomes could be prevented there is nothing wrong...but humans are still not much better than a pack of apes wielding fire. It will probably be another few centuries before anything changes in this department.

That's what I loved about FO2.

six was there, but it had consequences, anything from an STD to your bastard son taking over an entire major city.

I could be wrong, .. I do see a reduction in teen age pregnancy in countries that are more open about this subject. But you're right however that it carries a lot of responsibilities and consequences. Maybe that's the reason why we say: 'OMG!' when we hear the S word.



I still wonder what happened with my genetic material in VC. :laugh:

FO:NV implies that it was canonical ending, the ending that went on to background story of FO:NV. Besides grand daughter is apparently carved from same wood as Angela... Mr. Wright referred in dialogue of certain guest in FO:NV is most likely out of wedlock son of Chosen one.

Personally I thing black screening and leaving it on to players imagination is pretty much only way to do that. If it isn't enough wait for few weeks and mod community will "correct" that issue. Personally I prefer to have my pr0n and cRPG's as separate products.

I actually remember playing a game that got the balance of six vs. pron just about right. Old game: Defendefr of the Crown was the title I think. Medieval semi strategy thing but there was a 'scene' where your character comes to his lady love one night. They meet in their room, they kiss, she lets her dress fall as seen from behind to her mid back, view changes to silouettes viewed from outside the room as they embrace and then the fade to black. "the next morning you return to your quest with a renewed sense of purpose blah blah blah" So much better than the Fallout 3 version. Granted in FO:3 we're dealing with a less romantic situation but still.....