Yeah, you sure can sweety pie.
I'm 21 years old, I've had my fair share of "real life" six. Doing it in a video game is pretty lame and childish to someone who has actually had six before.
The worst part, especially in Fable I and II, is when the screen goes black and you hear the voice actors going "ohhh...OHHH!!" It's like, good god. That's so stupid sounding. That's not something I want to hear when I'm playing a video game.
And, please, no comments about how I'm "flexing muh six epeeenz", grow up, if you were thinking about it. People have six. It's pretty common, outside of your mothers basemant.

I'm not trying to pick on you as this is the second time I've quoted you, but.... I think the problem is that six has potential to sully the rest of the product. That "well just don't use that feature" mentality is a pretty big loophole. What if Bethesda scattered pieces of Master Chief's armor around in various dungeons? What if you could buy a pimp hat a store? What if there was a magical jukebox in one of the bars? Sure, just don't use that stuff and it's cool! But more importantly, time taken to implement six would cut into time that would better be spent elsewhere, say, in basically every other department that actually contributes to the gameplay and the world. six animations or races that actually have different action animations? six minigames or improved AI? Brothels or a larger game world? six quests that a select few pervs can enjoy or more regular quests that everyone can enjoy? six requires modeling, textures, animations, dialog, world space, bug testing, writing, and sound effects.

I'm fairly indifferent to it, while being fairly annoyed by the many immature responses that come in response to it, from both sides. It's one of those things that to me feels like a strange absence in the game world; six doesn't exist, children don't exist, toilets don't exist. I have no real interest in them, they wouldn't do much, and the game doesn't really suffer for their absence. However, when you pay attention to detail and are trying to make the world feel real and immersive, these things are strange gaps in the plausibility. I've seen games with six, and it seldom damages anything. You ignore it, the game moves on. You do it, you get a brief cutscene and the game moves on. Given the nature of the game, a sandbox RPG, I'd be on the side of adding it, if only for the sake of more options. At the same time, I'd consider it a very low priority. Videogame six tends to be a stilted, emotionless parody, and I'm not going to fight very hard for an addition that's almost certain to be cheesy and pointless.

I take a similar position with nudity, but I'd lean harder in its favor. In an m-rated sandbox RPG it's not out of place. Daggerfall had it, albeit a highly pixelated form, and it was mostly used for darker settings (like naked corpses and whatnot). It allows more options for atmosphere and customization and doesn't hinder anything unless added as a gimmick, and that's really the main issue with both: I'd rather they be added as things that just "exist," in the game world, because they're real things that exist. Shoved in as a theme or gimmick, it's just awkward and annoying, to put it kindly.


This franchise? Games have been waving almost-naked amazons in chainmail bikinis at people since the invention of cover art.

I think we are all assuming the worst about this six thing. I gave it some thought and read a few more comments here and there. I have to change my answer from no to yes in a sense. If a TES:V ever gets created, I would like to see relationships between the player and NPCs. Adding romance would be perfectly acceptable in my view. Not only does it bring more immersion into roleplaying, it adds realism to the game. Now the comes the controversy of adding pure six into games. I would have to disagree with that. Games like the Elder Scrolls shouldn't be a cyber world of six. What I mean is that they shouldn't add explicit scenes and actions into TES.

To have a choice between a "better game" or a "child's toy" is silly. You can still have a better game without adding the realism of six. Most game developers don't add six because a lot of children play their games. Please understand that while games today aren't labeled as childrens toys, the fact remains that a lot of children today still play games. This branches into two categories- 1.) Putting restrictions on games (i.e warnings "M" "E" etc etc) or 2.) the parents ability to monitor what their children are playing. A good example is Grand Theft Auto 4. Its a pretty real game. Drugs, money, extortion, six, violence, etc. All in all, its mainly viewed for a older generation to fully take advantage of and respect. When you see your younger brother/sister/cousin/etc play the game, you have the choice to limit his viewing or restrict it from him all together.

This is an arguement where both sides have a good stand in. My advice? We should stop getting at peoples throats about the topic. Remember this is a poll and people are entitled to their opinions.

When you put it like that, ... -- Please? I've been a bad boy...

EDIT: Oh, I forgot to mention; Stop "flexing yuh six epeeenz"

I agree with this as well. Using the "well just don't use it" argument is pretty silly IMO. Just because I don't use it, doesn't make the product any less "what it was" before adding something like that too it.

I don't know, it would depend vastly on how it was applied and what the circumstances were.

Look at Dragon Age Origins. There is plenty of intimacy there, with a little more than black screens and "ooohs" and "aaahhs", but it is tastefully done where you get the message. One is not affronted as if it will cause your teens or fellow enthusiasts to grab their notebook computers to the bathroom for an hour or so, which it won't.

Subjects like this one can never really agree on without the infusion of your own definitive comfort factor on it. It is far too elastic. One person's "fade to black" is another person's insult to their maturity. Another person's "Rated for Maturity" is another person's war cry for the Apocalypse. I am sure when Better Bodies first came along there were people already nervous beyond reason how they were going to justify adding it to their game if their respective peoples surrounding them were already cautious about such an immersive vehicle as Morrowind.

Like anything else, it's hard to come up with a universal comfort factor that will sate all.

Best not to draw harsh judgement calls on those that perfer or enjoy romance or intimacy in their role playing or escapism. The same sword of distaste used on them can be applied right back at those that read an enticing love novel for titillation, go to movies just because they heard their favorite actor or actress will be sans clothing, or those that secretly close their eyes right in the middle of one's precious real-world intimacy and are imagining someone else. Glass houses my friends, glass houses.

six has never been apart of the ES series, and nudity was only ever in Daggerfall. As far as im concerned, nudity and six in games is extremely distasteful and off-putting, if you want those in the game just use mods like you do now.

Bethesda has always aimed the ES series to teenagers, so six and nudity would most likely be out.

I for one, am all for six and nudity. I mean come on, The Real Barenziah ingame book was great until they changed it in Morrowind, and took out all the kinky six. They've already insinuated that kind of stuff in every game, might as well put it in. The next game will get an M rating regardless. Elder Scrolls should be the 1 fantasy roleplaying game for advlts. I mean who hasn't played a D&D campaign and seduced the bar-maid? I want more depth like that.

Edit: Then again, such things can be accomplished with 3rd party mods(Though I never liked modders doing clothes because they seem to think TES is FF7)

I'm not asking for a bajillion six quests or the ability to have six with every NPC. But six on the scale of the first Mass Effect (one short optional six scene), sounds good to me and would even enhance the story in my opinion. If I have to give up one short quest for it, I'm fine with that.

Also there's the additional benefit of sticking it to the man and having a guaranteed story on your game on Faux News.

But, that's just your opinion that it would "enhance" the story. My opinion is, it wouldn't, and would definitely take away from the game.
Already, we have 2 sides of the coin.
And the poll shows that most people wouldn't dig it.
And honestly, I can't see Bethesda in a million years putting six and nudity into TES. I just don't see it happening. They aren't that type of gaming company.

I'm okay with nudity, or brief nudity but six is a little iffy.

Nudity fine, six.... eh, I can take it or leave it.

I don't want to see naked video game characters running around. It's not necessary, leave it out.

lol

Wow, a lot of people are freaked about by sixuality.

:lol: I've put six in D&D games, funny you put it that way. The difference between tabletop and computer games is the player has more of a choice in tabletop. If you want six in a tabletop game, there are rules for it, and I've played by those rules for sure.

IF a TES game had six, on the other hand, it would sort of just be 'there' all the time. It would be possible to meet Hillod the Outlaw, for instance, and you'd have these choices:

Imperial City
Rumors
Engage in sleazy conversation in hopes of getting some.

:lol: See what I'm saying? Probably not.

I don't think people realize how realistic bodies can look in games these days.
You know what a naked body with the graphics of say...oblivion..crysis..etc is?
It's called pormography.

Nudity is not pormography.

Now if they were getting freaky on screen that's different.

To quote your words...but thats just your opinion too that it will "take away" from the game. :rolleyes:

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. So we should stop trying to arugue over which opinion is better or which "makes the most sense." This is starting to grow out of control here. Everyone is too quick and narrow to see things from the other perspective. So since were that way, we should at least stop attacking one another. :thumbsup:

Well, if any six that ends up in the game goes further than innuendo, the game will get an AO rating, and that will take away a lot more. Even though the US ESRB is voluntary, an AO rating means you can't buy advertising because nobody will carry it, can't get distribution because nobody will stock it, you're not going to recoup your investment. Only a house accustomed to producing low-budget titles for a niche audience can get away with in-game six. Won't happen here, fellas.

Tastefully done it can happen. Mass Effect did it well enough.

And nudity is a different issue than six, though related. It ought to be done in the same way any M rated movie would do it, which means it is usually brief and has an effect beyond the sixual nature, such as a joke (Farva running into the cruiser covered in powdered sugar and totally naked comes to mind).

Of course, that doesn't mean nudity should be limited to childish jokes or gimmicks. Dead and nvde corpses could serve to horrify the player, or to fuel their rage at the indignities imposed by an enemy or faction.

Yeah, but very few, if any, have become so associated with six and smut as the Elder Scrolls. To be fair to the franchise and Bethesda, nearly all of this is due to the mod community's rabid obsession with mods to add in briast physics and skimpy female outfits, prostitution and STDs, pubic hair, and all the other filth that comprises about 50-75% of any mod host site's library, but it hangs over the franchise nevertheless in the eyes of the gaming community.

When you get to talking bad about the mod community, you really hit a nerve. I'll just say, prepare for a horde.

Mod creators are a very interesting bunch, and they do what they do because they love the game to be whatever one desires. If one wishes to get rid of the diaper-esque underwear that plagues both Morrowind and Oblivion, that is one's choice. Especially considering most of the mod creators that add nudity also enjoy creating clothing to cover it up.

And this goes without saying; you aren't forced to use these mods, so why become so upset about their presence?

Besides, there was a Brothel in Morrowind. House of Earthly Delights in Suran was specifically a Brothel, although, it was mostly a novelty, unless you downloaded mods for it, such as better bodies. It's not so bad to have nudity or six in a game. The fact that the ESRB doesn't like it is none of my concern, because frankly, I hate the ESRB.

I don't think TES needs six or the negative publicity that would come along with it. I suppose relationships could be introduced, but I've never seen it done well in a computer game. At best we get the decent but rather limited and obvious Bioware relationship dialogue, (select A to make character like you because you are good, select B to make character like you because you are bad, select C for obvious mood killer) at worst we get the dreadful system used in Fable. I sometimes wonder if Peter Molyneux really believes that presenting someone with a box of chocolates and constantly breaking wind is the way to get into their knickers. To be fair to him I'm not sure how relationships in a sandbox game can be much more complex than that unless there are only a select number of characters that romance is possible with, which rather defeats the object.

For me Bethesda have always done a decent job at alluding to sixual scenes. I don't think Morrowind would have been improved if I'd actually seen all the depraved stuff Crassus Curio made me do in order to advance through House Hlaalu, or been able to spend a fortune on overpriced flin at the house of earthly delights before going to the back room for some special treatment.

I'd say no to nudity too. Not that I care, pants/weiner it's all pixels to me, but why cut out a significant proportion of the fanbase for some gratuitous nekkedness?

I don't get it. As a straight, normal 19 year old male six should appeal to me more than anyone else...but it doesn't. Never the less, around a third of the current mods for Oblivion seem to be be sixual in nature

It's strange. None of them appeal to me at all. If six is integral to the story or plot then yes, by all means include it, but six for the sake of six... doesn't appeal to me

If I want porm? There's tons of it. More than I know what to do with. I'm not complaining, but I don't need it to be in my games too