Ok, I may be a bit ignorant with homosixuality, so I need this explained more.

We are talking about Skyrim here. How does Bethesda throw hetrosixuality in their TES games? I just don't see it.

I don't mind 'gay' characters, as long as they aren't spurting 'pro-gay' slogans and stuff, I think that it isn't worth the controversy that would erupt from it

It doesn't have to be, but as some sort of tokenism, they tend to do this with minorities a lot, especially sixually. Like in the first 4 seasons of Doctor Who where Russel T Davies as head writer wanted to represent gays, there were gay people in like every third story and you learned they were gay, often unsubtely and in the first minute of meeting them, often even through their own words (Eg. Doctor meets woman and asks her why she's here, and she says she's on holiday because her female partner needed more space). Meanwhile the heterosixual people were placed in pretty casually and without trying to 'represent' them because they weren't the minority.

Gay gamers have had to deal with heterosixuality being in their "face" for a long time.
I've seen very little complaining from them. What gives heterosixuals the right to complain?
As to the scenario you describe, I find that very unlikely to happen in Skyrim.
In incorporating gay relationships in the game, it doesn't have to be for the "sake of gays" as some people in this thread have described. Just as heterosixual relationships don't have to be in the game for the sake of heterosixuality. If it fits the setting and the characters in question, what's the big deal?

The head of Hlaalu asks you to kiss him and take off your clothes for him, whatever your gender (or species)

Vivec had a harem of Buoyant Armigers of both genders, and Vilenas son mentions his friends beauty (althogh I think he was just supposed to represent the typical 'troubled teen', he wasn't 'gay' as such, it is more likely he didn;t have an explicit preference), and to the guy that said the adoring fan was mocking homosixualitty, I highly doubt he was 'gay'

I'm talking about games in general.

That is not at at what I said, if you are reply to me.

Whether or not any sixuality or romance is included or not doesn't matter as long as it has been done tactfully and tastefully and in the past they have done both. There has been a bit of both homosixuality and heterosixuality both but neither one to a fault.

I am sick of right handed characters being in my face all the time. Being left handed and all.

You folks are to be commended on this not being filled with flames. I haven't read it all the way through but if the last couple of pages are indicators you all have maintained a mature discussion that can stay open. First sign of flames however and it's closed and the flamer will be warned and suspended. It is usually what happens in these types of threads. So tread lightly and remain civil.

This is what I was getting at, I don't care if its in there but it shouldn't be added just to represent the gay community. I don't need every gay NPC walking up to me screaming how gay they are. At the same time, I don't want some other NPC walking up screaming homophobic propaganda and talking about how straight he/she is.

On another note, in a game like Oblivion just because homosixuality isn't in the game, does not mean that heterosixuality is being shoved in gay people's face. So, please people, don't say it is.

I do think that adding some more "relations" between NPC's is a good thing and helps to weave a better world. I think they are already touching on this a bit with the whole "kill the shop owner and the daughter" will inherit it or whatever. I however really do not see the need or reason to allow the PC to interact in the same way. I don't think that a Fable style family mechanic is necessary or anything. Although I suppose I have no opposition to it as long as I don't have to partake in it besides it taking up time that might be used better in other subjects.

The scenario of "every gay npc coming up to the player and screaming how gay they are" is so outlandish I don't see why it's mentioned. I don't believe anyone has even come close to advocating such a thing. Nor has there really been more than a few mainstream games at most that come within an iota of that.

I just want to kill a mudcrab. I want to hold a big sword. I want magic out of my hands. i don't want to mate with a collection of pixels.

I look at it this way:

IF there are relationships portrayed in the game (which I hope they are, because in a living breathing world this is the case) ...
THEN there should be the occasional gay/bi-sixual relationship portrayed as well.

I'm not talking about some sort of blatant "HEY OH MY GOSH EVERYONE WE PUT GAY CHARACTERS IN, AREN'T WE SO PROGRESSIVE AND ACCEPTING?!?!" sort of thing, but they should be treated just as any other couple, which, if I were gay, is what I'd want. (also, I am technically an "ally" of the LGBTQ community, whatever exactly that means. Chose to take the class as part of my resident assistant training).

Just the occasional line in a pub where the male character you're talking to doesn't say "hey, check out that cute little elf chick, over there... pretty nice..." but instead if you ask him what he's doing, replies "just checking out that muscley knight in the corner..." instead.

Like I said, just occasional, because, like in real life, the gay population shouldn't be over 5 - 10% of the population. I don't think the gay gaming community is wanting to be able to form gay relationships with every character in the game. I just think they would like to see some representation, which is perfectly understandable.

I see absolutely no idea how this could be perceived as controversial. If people have a problem with seeing the occasional gay couple in a video game, they need to get a grip on reality.

I think people are more referring to how the introduction of gay charcters has been excuted in other games, and media in general (TV, movies),

Also, it's not like gay characters are just going to walk around telling everyone how gay they are. I've had friends who I didn't know they were gay until I'd known them for a couple weeks. Hell, Dumbledore is gay in Harry Potter and it's never even mentioned in the books. I think Beth could handle this responsibly.

I would like to see a more Diverse world. I you are able to have romance in the game make it for everyone.
I want everyone to be able to play this game and be happy no matter if you this or that it doesn't matter.
Just play the game

There's no guarantee that that would happen.
And Bethesda does not have to adhere to the common portrayals of gays in other games.
Nor is anyone supporting the idea of having stereotypical gays flamboyantly in the player's face.

They had all manner of relations in Dragon Age: origins. I think people went through the 'relationship' stuff because they were either 13 yo boys or because they could get an achievement out of it. It added very little to the game other than being very mildly amusing.

That is the point. People misinterpreted me when I said I don't think it should be in your face, it should be subtle. In your face means them screaming it at me. I don't care if they are in the game, just like I don't care if straight couples are in the game.
It seems the OP wants a Fable style family mechanic, which is not something that I want, but not something I am adverse to. Both homosixuality and heterosixuality are balanced fine in that setting without one out weighing the other.

I am just afraid that people will over represent said community, someone had a fine example earlier in Dr. Who I believe. Homosixuals orientation was thrown at you immediately, while hetros were subtly and casually placed into the show.

Like the mod said, and this goes for everyone as a human, a lot of people are "tired of right-handed NPC's because they are left handed and that's not fair." (paraphrased mind you)

It would be wonderful if there were a few same-six couples among the NPCs. It would make the game world seem more realistic to me. To those who think it's not realistic for a medieval setting I can only respond that female warriors aren't either. (Joan of Arc was burned at the stake, remember.) For that matter, magic isn't realistic either. Neither are multiple intelligent races, nor demons. It's a fantasy game. It can be made into something better than the real world if the devs want.

But personally I'd be happy if any potential romance options were simply not gender specific. That is, if there is a player-romance quest of any kind, provide a female NPC and a male NPC who can fulfill the role and let the player choose between them without regard to the PC's gender.

All the people who are worried about having a same six NPC hit on them need to learn to laugh it off and say no, just like in real life.

[Edit] And yes, for anyone wondering, I'd like to see same-six relationships in part because it would be nice not to have to pretend to be straight in a game - I get to do that enough in real life as it is.

True 'nuff. See? Players can learn how to deal with somewhat sticky social situations in game! LEARNING FOR EVERYONE!

This is the way it should be. Very intelligently said.

If I don't get gay vikings now I'm going to scream!

On a serious note, I wouldn't mind a character of questionable orientation like Curio, they add flavor to the world. However I don't see why adding anything on a large scale is really relevant to elder scrolls... honestly you don't even see regular relationships between NPCs, I can't think of any that ever hit on you other than that Kajhiit in Morrowind. It's also not like you romance NPCs like in Bioware games.

Joan of Arc was burned for being a witch, not for being a female warrior. Just saying.

Agreed, It's mostly speculation though, but I doubt Bethesda are going use Skyrim to push a personal agenda, if it is included it will be only for realism, and I doubt it will be in your face, probably limited to two male or female characters sharing a house and occasional comments.