I don't want it to be a focus, but it should definitely be present. Something as simple as two guys/girls who live together is enough to show that its there, yet at the same time doesn't make a big deal of the issue.

I'm not a fan of it. It wouldn't be done subtly or tastefully, so it would just be strange. Plus, think of the awkwardness if someone was watching you play when a gay character starts coming on to your character. Just imagine it...

Regarding the general lack of sixuality in the TES series, I see the point and I partially agree. However, part of what made NPCs seem so generic to me in Oblivion was that all characters seemed to have interactions with no one but the player. In Morrowind and before, this has mostly been due to technical limitations, and in Oblivion I have a feeling that the AI coding had a lot to do with it.

Social interactions, and that includes romantic ones, are such an integral part of human life, and, an open-world epic RPG seems a lot less real, at least to me, when there's a complete lack of NPC relationships and interactions (whether they be friendly or romantic.) I may be optimistic, but I expect that to change in Skyrim. That image of the bar maid, for instance, I don't just see a vast improvement on body and face models; I start to imagine her being married to one of the blokes behind her, and when not in conversation with the player, their conversations and interactions will show that.

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Their homosixual relationships are pretty much exactly the same as their hetero relationships. I guess you could call them too shallow but I don't see the difference.

Voila!

Don't the devs have more important things to focus on? I, personally, don't really care if they don't bother to add in gay or cross-species relationships. And I'm saying that as a flaming queer. :meh:

Hey guys, let us not forget that Vivec was open to ALL. Plus, Vivec has both male and female parts. Hell, his sermans would say how he turned Yokudan kings into women (think about it), he and Molag Bal compared [censored] sizes, then he bit off Molag Bal's manhood and attached it to his own, and much much more.

There is plenty of sixuality in TES. Also, I'm very sure the FG head's son who you had to escort in that one mission on killing trolls was gay.

But what it comes down to is, it's not completely and fully in your face, save for CC (but...he's that weird playwright character type who makes trashy plays)

I agree with Joda, the general lack of any kind of relationships between NPC's made the entire game feel, I don't know, sterile?

Not saying people need to be screwing in the streets but a little humanity would be nice.

I say just keep it the way it was. No need to get into something controversial like this.
Just my opinion

I second that - TES seriously needs social interactions - without them the world will never really feet alive, it was always a point that ticked me off, in Morrowind I could somewhat live with that because the npcs generally just stood around, and just seeing them move was all I could dream of There was some attempts thou - all Redoran counselors have families, and even the whole one romance related quest, ends up badly, but still, it seams reodran girls can fall in love! But in Oblivion lack of social live became painfully noticeable, both in behavior and quests, I sincerely hope that at last some steps would be taken towards a lively society in Skyrim.
And after npc stop being just a furniture it will make sense to talk about something more.

What you forget though is that although TES is BASED in medieval era, it isn't based on US.

The fact that homosixuality, or well anything NOT heterosixual was punishable by death in the dark ages was that - like it or not - the Church ruled everything, and its rules said that anything different, died. End of story. In TES we have many different religions, and it seems the nine divines are gentle gods - not to mention daedra worship, although stigmatized, is still accepted as a fact of life. Therefore it might not be a death sentence to come out as gay or bi in this world because we simply don't have the cultural history of these kind of things. What we need is a writer for TES to come in here and set the record in stone.

My problem is that the only homosixual relationships Bioware will acknowledge are the ones between two hot chicks because apparently Bioware is entirely staffed by 13 year olds and frat boys.

And even then it wasn't technically a homosixual relationship. Blue lady (I forget her species' name) species was genderless, although all its features are consistently female.

I'm not denying that this requires bravery from Bethesda's side, and it will no doubt spark controversy, even though there won't be six. In fact, I have no idea if implementing sixual diversity in a shoe horned, flamboyant fashion or in a non-challant, pragmatic fashion will be worst in terms of backlash.

Really? You totally forget Zevran, don't you? My favorite Bioware character ever, the only one who is more found of him than I am is my very male elven mage char

I don't think there will be much if any talk of homosixuality in vanilla Skyrim, but it is guaranteed in mods. Cross-species relationships? Like, with a dragon? That would be cool.

gay characters were overrepresented in fallout new vegas. it was weird that out of 4 possible human companions you could get, half of them were gay. :blink: i would say that the odds of that even happening in san francisco would be very low much less a post apocalyptic las vegas. on a related note half of the NCR was made up of women..........what is up with that. i can see some here and there but it makes no sense that any army would be half women. they went a bit to far on the politically correct meter in that game.

gay relationships in skyrim is a bit trickier than the empire. in cyrodil it was highly centered around religion and the nine divines. i dont think thats the case with skyrim which seems more chaotic, either the nords are like the ancient greeks where it was accepted or it wasnt accepted like in some other ancient cultures. i just frankly dont want it in my game cause if they put it in bethesda at least in recent games has had a tendency to hit you over the head with it repeatedly. keep the medieval feel of skyrim and dont ruin it just for the sake of political correctness. there is absolutely no reason to have it in to begin with.......its a fantasy action/rpg video game not a dating simulator or the sims.

if they do put something in skyrim i just hope they are not so overt about it as with new vegas.

as for cross species relations if you referring to khajit and argonian or argnonian and redguard........HELL NO!!! that just gross and there is no reason to put that in game. morrowind already did the elf/human thing so it having it in skyrim wouldnt add anything new. dont remember any in oblivion but i could be wrong unless you count the necrophiliac lady.

That's not true.

Anyway, it's not really necessary. I wouldn't mind it, but it's really not an important feature, and would probably cause some issues with conservative parents (though screw them really). It's really just irrelevant in the world, which is rarely (though occasionally) about romantic relationships at all.

She was a chick. The "genderless" thing is just a flimsy excuse.



You men the twinkly little bi elf? Ugh. All he was was a bone they threw to us when people criticized them for not including more male/male relationships in their games.

I'm all for any kind of diversity in Skyrim. Having gay & lisbian characters in New Vegas was rather refreshing. No one has to hit on your character. I don't understand why everybody thinks like that. A nice couple living together could be a man and a woman, two men, or two women. Two bosmer, or maybe an imperial and a khajiit. Maybe they have kids, maybe they don't. Just to see this kind of diversity. Different kinds of people, like they aren't all cut from the same mold, they all have their own stories and lives. This is what I think the OP was trying to get at.

This, right here, is exactly why I'd love to see sixual diversity in Skyrim. It would make the world seem more real, assuming they get NPC-NPC interactions and relationships right.

However, I remain wary about the possibility of shoe-horning.

Yeah, so long as the characters are tastefully done, realistic and not just there for the sake of saying "equal opportunity NPCs"! Given the overall lack of emphasis on sixuality in the Elder Scrolls fanbase (to keep in touch with its fanbase of basemant dwellers? har har har) I doubt it, but it is certainly more plausible given just how many gay and lisbian characters were in New Vegas.

I remember the pair of Thieves Guild members that lived together in Chorrol, a Dunmer and an Imperial. It wasn't even fully known if they were in a relationship or not but a lot of the towns people frowned on the relationship.

Well so far theres never been any “romance” in TES.

If they added it, then sure, why not have a same six option?

Personally, I think it would hilarious to find an unmarked quest where you rescue a maiden from a tower and up with a beautiful and attentive orc-wife.

Dont forget about The Gray Prince and his human vampire father and orc mother.

Do we want more than two sixes in TES?

Enough diversity to where it's classy, but not trashy.