A lot of people here didn't play new vegas lol... I think Obsidian handled it perfectly.

I believe that the society of Tamriel is more high-context than modern American low-context society, so traditional sixual roles & orientations will be much more salient.

Yes, that's true. But I'm speaking in a broad sense. six, relationships, romance, whatever. All of it. Same six, opposite six, interspecies. They could not add any at all and I'd be quite all right with it.

Why are you limiting "natural" interactions to just sixuality? There are many other natural interactions among humans which are much more visible every day that would make the game seem more "real" (unless you are in places like Amsterdam's Red Light District, or Vegas, etc...)

There has been some sixual diversity in Oblivion, The Siren's Deception is an example, also Heinrich Oakenhull was married to a Bosmer and he was a Nord. The Nord woman that worked for you at Rosethorn Hall implied that her and that guy from the shop you meet her at did stuff.
When it comes to sixual activity between NPCs I really don't think it could have been implemented successfully especially with the occasionally HORRIBLE voice acting in Oblivion. Remember when Glathir and other quest NPCs didn't know the way to the imperial city? Imagine how they would have sounded asking a prosttute for a quick one.
IF voice acting is stellar it can be implemented successfully and be a welcome addition but if it ends up awkwardly acted like some things were in Oblivion I'd rather it stays out.

At this point you are adding sixual diversity for the simple fact of adding sixual diversity, as there is no sixual anything in the game. Leave relationships and sixual anything out of the game.

Having two people live together is one thing, or even having married couples (gender doesn't matter) but that is as far as it should go.

but there were plenty of relationships in morrowind, i don't recall anyone every getting upset about them. you could even get a 'girlfriend' who would let you stay in her house, leave you presents, etc. she also had a rather poignant quest involving her ex-husband.

If you read the entire first quote I edited into the OP, you'd know that I'm concerned about any and all forms of social interactions, not just the romantic or sixual kinds. However, I assume both of these subjects are already being discussed heavily in other threads here (i.e. the thread about NPCs feeling generic,) and I just wanted to discuss how and why/why not sixual diversity could/should be a part of Skyrim.



No I'm discussing it because 1) the idea of sixual diversity in games interests me because it's very hard to do pragmatically, and can potentially add new levels of depth to games and 2) I assumed relationships (friendly or romantic) in general had already been discussed to the point of exhaustion.

The fact that relationships were at best very minor in Oblivion makes not care about the matter much. It never felt like an issue to begin with.

But I won't complain if they include same six pairings. In fact I would applaud it.

Dude, really? Everyone lived in castles in medieval Europe? There were no kings/emperors in Medieval Europe? No armies or legions in medieval Europe? Everyone worshipped the same god? Oooooo...kay...

Does it matter? It's a fantasy setting. They don't have to adhere to real human history.

But the poster was still giving false information.

Why do we need homosixuality in the game? Are we playing a game to get away from Real Life Trivia? Does everything need to be a statement? Do we really need it in games?
Does the gay community wish to have gay characters in the game? I have never thought of this. When I play a game, I don't think of romancing anyone, or having sixual partners
or what not. I believe the gay community doesn't either, so why is it needed?

I don't know, I just think it doesn't need to be done. That would be like saying we need Jesus Christ in games, and Budda, and Allah, and other religous real life leaders in the game
as well. Do we need that too?

Wasn't Cassio Curro gay? In a child molesting way? I always thought my charater was really young, so it bothered me to see him. If it's in the game, how do you portray it then? I
guess for people who are hetro sixual they may see humour into it, Cassio Curro for example, but what does the gay community think of him? Are all gay people child molestors?
NO they are not. Do we need to insult or subjicate a race of humans just to be shown "There is nothing wrong with that"?

I guess having 2 guys live together, or two woman living together for NPC I see nothing wrong. But does it have to be thrown into our faces? No. I just think it's best to be left alone,
just like how those topless girls in the temple in Daggerfall are gone now. You just don't need the headachs for doing it.

As someone said before, Nothing wrong with having gay in the game. BUT having gay for having gay sakes is just wrong.

As for having an Argonian with a Khajit, why not. But having a human with a beast race, No. It's bad enough that at the heart of Twilight it is Necrophilia and Beasteality, I don't think
we need anything like this in a TES game.

I believe some things are just better left not touched. These 2 are some of them. If you can make a good excuse why, then I may change my mind, but I haven't seen a good reason
to have them in the game.

*looks at adoring fan* yeaaa..... there is already homosixuality in oblivion, i dont see why it wont be in skyrim

I think TES has a very realistic way of dealing with sixual diversity, The only 'gay' people are in high positions in society, as they are less likely to be shunned or arrested, (The head of Hlaalu, Vivec i think and Vilena Dontons son), I don't think they should overtly put any emphasis on sixual diversity, as there are no overtly heterosxuals or homosixuals in TES

It wouldn't matter to me as gameplay is more important but then again BGS is developing this game and all we need to do is look at Fallout 3 to see how they dealt with six or anything similar to what's been talked about in this thread.

I just don't think that "sixual diversity" should be added when there is currently no sixuality.
If relationships a la Bioware are a go, then yes. Diversity should be added, but you shouldn't have to add homosixuality into a game to appease homosixuals when there isn't even heterosixuality.

If there are NPC couples in the game, then yes some of them should be Homo. However, its not really in the previous games, the only couples are only in there for plot lines and quests.

Then what makes these people 'gay'? Stereotypical behaviour?

And you can see a pattern now. Is gay being mocked in TES games now? Why does gay have to be the comedic relief?

Again, nothing wrong with having it in the game, it just has to be done correctly. I have worked with gay people and we
never treated each other any different. They can be in the game, because it is in real life. But to have it in the game,
for just games sake, is a no.

well i don't think they're going to make any, like, KNoTR/jade empire relationships, and I don't think thats what the OP meant. Just to add flavor for npcs. And how can you say "there isn't any there in previous games" when you have stuff like strip bars, six slaves, kissing bandits, hokers, countless 'save my husband/wife/lover', 'kill my cheating wife/husband/lover' quests, etc? Why does it 'not count' if there's quests around it? There were plenty of couples who were more or less irrelevant.

THIS.
OVER AND OVER. THIS.

1) Why do we need heterosixuality in games?

2) Yes we do.

3) We've had overtly heterosixual game characters and themes thrown in our faces for years.

And don't give me none of that "A game characters sixuality doesn't matter." If tomorrow it was announced that Duke Nukem and every other character that was presented as overtly straight were all gay, people would riot.

Let me say that I do not have a problem with homosixuals in real life or in the game. I actually chose to have gay six with Zeveran in DA:O (Albeit just for the achievement)
That said, there just haven't been a lot of couples to begin with in the game. It seems to add homosixuality into it would be just to make a statement and just to have it. Couples could be subtle in the background (every orientation) but, I just don't want it up in my face so that I HAVE to notice and see it all the time like a lot of people seem to want. (not pointing fingers)

I resent the idea that if there's homosixuality in Skyrim, it must be in the player's "face."

I second this.

To me that translates as "It's okay to have gay characters in the game, so long as I never see them or have to interact with them."