OP, I have the feeling your going to give yourself premature grey hairs at the very least...



you can't live your life obsessing over "i feel is being treated better than me!", because thats how society works.. nothing in life is truly "fair", unqualified people will be hired over qualified ones because they know a guy who knows the employer or because they are "bilingual", people get absurd tax breaks because they have been diagnosed with clinical depression, the government will cover depression medication but not that of someone that needs pills just to not be in constant pain, your rent will be raised way more than you can pay just because your landlord had a bad day.. its called an life, sure we may teach our kids while they are in elementary school that things should be "fair" by giving everyone an equal turn on the swing, but IRL it just doesn't work that way, nothing in life is fair, we just gotta roll with the punches



I say this as someone who has had several mental health issues which is raising my concern for you, but by obsessing over "those guys got a better deal, its not fair!" your causing harm to yourself you won't likely notice the full effects for several years.. by obsessing over something this small and out of your control (about the pricing of a luxury no less) you are causing yourself harm you may not realize for years to come..

Injustice? What?! Its a product. They have no obligation to provide you with anything, free or otherwise. Whats democracy got to do with it?!

My last car was old and needed to be replaced. Do you think Ford should provide me with a new one just because theres a newer model?! I don't want to pay for it so they should give it to me! For free! Otherwise Its not a democracy!

You have some strange ideas.

I would like to add, differing prices between versions has always been a thing.. I have seen AAA games where the PC versions more expensive, others where it was the console.. I have seen games where the console version was more expensive then the handheld, and others where the handheld took top dollar..



the fact is, it is a publishers decision on what to charge.. and this is probably the first time i can recall in my over 20 years of gaming where someones making a big deal about it..

Im glad mods are working for some people. For more though, they are not. As a Sony user, sanctioned mods are not available. Such a shame so far for Bethesda. Again.

I'm pretty sure that's not entirely Bethesda's fault. They might want to make the launch of PS4 mods a bit smoother than it was on XBOX One, which is probably why they pushed back the release. Some thieving idiots are to blame for that and now people like you have to live with the consequences, sadly...

Actually the only person I see being salty here is you. Sounds like bitter jealousy to me. So PC owners who make your mods get a free game. Well cry me a river!

Console games are usually more expensive because Microsoft slaps a 30% or thereabouts surcharge on top of each and every game sold. They want to introduce the UWP platform onto PC's too and probably hope to cream the profits off that too.

actually, I heard the indefinite delay for the PS4s mods had something to do with the negotiation process.. apparently Beth was trying to renegotiate for a higher download limit for mods (sony previously said they would limit it to 900mb), and Sony didn't take to kindly to it

Well, I guess that was just me hoping that Bethesda would actually start caring about policing mods uploaded to their platform. I guess I'm just too optimistic...

But 900 mb is definitely not enough. PS4 users can barely download any mods with such a limitation.

I think its more than theft and that nonsense creating a delay. But if it is just that, that would be "truly" pitiful.


Advertise Fallout 4 mods for PS4 as well, announced Skyrim Remastered and highlight modding and attempt to justify pricing, delay Fallout 4 mods on PS4 (and say nothing else).


Transparency never their strong suit.

After seeing what funnybunny wrote I did a quick search. Apparently it really is partially to blame on Sony. Bethesda seem to be working on resolving the issues together with Sony, but I can see how there might be a problem in cooperation... Take a look at this http://www.gamespot.com/articles/fallout-4-ps4-mods-have-some-serious-beta-issues/1100-6441030/

Those technical issues are something that can be solved, but if you want fault Sony for design go for it. They have had years to work with it though.

Yet again, someone is missing the point.

Some people get it for free, others do not. Treat everyone equally.

@funnybunny & many others : Seriously, this isn't about me, it's about an injustice that I believe is being perpetrated. 50% of people get it for free, 50% do not (Note : Not accurate statistics. I haven't checked, it is merely for the demonstration). It's not rocket science, it's very, very simple. What I will inevitably do if this all goes as Bethesda have currently announced, is that I will simply buy it next year when it's on sale. There, that's me and my future actions covered.

I'm here to highlight the disparity and question it's purpose and criticise it, opening it up to further criticism.

Here, in simple terms : Bethesda made a dumb decision, I want to make them know it.

There.

Trying to say "There's no point!" changes nothing. It is what it is, and it's a huge stinking pile of horse faeces.

Don't worry about my welfare or wellbeing, I'm doing great. Thanks for your concern.

For the record, I fully intend to make another thread about this after the post limit is reached, as I believe there is more to discuss.

Also, if people could refrain from going too off-topic, that would be appreciated.

The amount of conspiracy theories saying "Microsoft paid off Bethesda to ruin Mods for Sony!" is just... beyond belief.

Oh my frikkin good god


I am well upset now


All this arguing over "consoles have to pay because they are getting mod support!"


HAVE YOU SEEN HOW MUCH MOD SUPPORT?


PS4 is having problems holding under 1Gb of mods because Sony allocated the storage to the sys partition of just 900Mb


And as for XBox One....it gets an almost as pathetic total mod limit of 2Gb.....what the heck.. can you do with that?


PC users sometimes have load orders of tens of Gigs


Finding this out has totally poisoned the chalice....not against PC guys.....its not their fault. Its not Bethesda's either.


We have totally incompetent console manufacturers who have failed to read ahead and make provision for our mods.


I mean.....the stupidest part is these consoles have HDDs of upto 2Tb


I hope in the name of all thats holy, that these buffoons get something sorted this side of christmas........


Oh and before mr, epiwhatever says I'm off topic.....its not mate......because the entire argument and reason for mods on consoles has just hit a road block.


If I was a mod author right now.....I would be saying whats the point of making very tiny mods at all?

If had an XB1 right now.......I would be saying.....wheres the promise.....what do you call this?

Aye, and even then, I had to buy an external HDD (5TB) for my Xbox One, as the default 500GB was just pathetic.

They really cannot be using Mods as such a selling point when they're so limited and they disable Achievements. It's like it just neuters the experience altogether.

I should point out that you can completely overhaul Skyrim's gameplay on a massive scale with just a few megabytes. My mod Immersive Ingestibles, which overhauls every food item in the game is an 8 kilobyte download. That's right, kilobyte, with a "k". I use a mod called JK Skyrim Major cities that overhauls the five major cities in Skyrim. It is an 806 kilobyte download. Mods that don't include a bunch of new assets or replacement textures aren't typically that big in size. It's the new meshes, textures and other new assets that add exponentially to the size of mods. But there is still an aweful lot of things you can do with 2GB of mods.

It is strictly your opinion that Bethesda made a dumb decision. That's kind of how opinions work. As you can see from this thread, you're very much in the minority.

Yes you can if you are happy with minor tweaks to your fruit.....but if you hang you nose over in nexus and drool over the wares within.....well console users can forget most of it.....just on file size grounds alone.....not to mention that they will get only a selected choice.


Plus....Anything needing skse is out of the question


Look....

Inigo.....30 Mb

Riften fishing shack 60 Mb

Nice looking forts and towers 225 Mb


You ain't gonna get very much of anything sizable into a PS4's 900Mb


Certainly not when you consider many pc players have not unusually between 100-200 mods


Bottom line I'm feeling about the whole "console modding" scene.......that we are being sold a pup in a guilded bag


It does not appear to be Bethesda's direct fault either......the consoles are simply not configured to store the mods on their big HDDs.


But Beth should have been honest about expectations here. Yes, I am pretty disappointed.


So when you realise that this much vaunted "modding capability" is going to be so hugely underwhelming...I am afraid that I AM going to be wondering what I am being being asked to pay 60 bucks for! Even worse....I would have been happy to pay handsomely for the capability that APPEARED to be on offer...... What a let down


So um' remind me, WHY are pc users getting SSE free again? Oh yeah....because console players are getting mod capability

*SIGH*

Rick, I'll be happy to pay for your console upgrade. How's that? I'm not going to get the SE for PC - because..... well.... I don't need it. Current game works fine for me on win10, I've got 30gb of mods, and I'm certainly not going to wait on the mods I love to get ported to the 64bit version. So....

Rick, you are hugely underestimating what is possible with 2GB of mods. It's not just "minor tweaks". You may consider my mod Immersive Ingestibles a "minor tweak" but I don't and I am insulted you would call it that. I spent well over 100 hours working on it, and it overhauls every food item in the game.


Nevertheless, even if you consider my mod only a minor tweak, I also pointed out that JK Skyrim major cities is only a 806k download. JK Skyrim is a major mod, not a "minor tweak". It adds new NPCs, new vendors, and new areas to the cities, and adds a whole new vertical dimension to Riften, and gives each of the Cities a major makeover.


I just looked through my load order, which is fairly substantial, and the total size of the esm/esp files is well under 100 MB. The big contributor to file size is the new assets, not the mods themselves.


A lot of mods use new assets which is why the file size is big. A lot of those same mods could be made with vanilla assets and function the same but with much smaller file sizes, they just wouldn't look quite as nice (Although with the new engine everything will look nicer).


If console mods become a thing modders might make new mods or new versions of existing mods with reduced file size for consoles. The more people who start making mods on the new engine the more likely that is to happen, which is why it's in console players best interest that Bethesda get as many PC players as possible to start using the new engine.


Anyway, the 2GB limitation is something Microsoft is imposing, not Bethesda and Bethesda is negotiating with Sony to increase its 900MB limit.


Edit: I had been planning on porting all my mods over to console, and create some new ones but threads like this one make me a lot less motivated to bother with console mods at all.

Yeah.... don't bite the hand that feeds you....

Yeah I was also thinking about porting my mods over, but this thread has killed my enthusiasm.

Console players like myself are grateful for people that port their mods over. Without guys like you I would have no mods for Fallout. Please don't let a couple of morons disuade you.

I totally agree with this.

Well said, and your post have arguments that I think the OP is lacking of.

I wonder who is being rude around here. Just saying.

So that's your strategy to respond to other people opinions that is different to your personal opinion. I take it as a sign of being disrespectful to other people who express a different opinion than you have, whether it is different to your own opinion or is anologous to some people, and anyone has the right to express their opinion, which must be respected regardless what opinion(s) other people have.

There's no nice way to address the "this thread killed my enthusiasm" statements. I'll try though.

You're promising big and amazing things that we haven't seen, and are threatening to not allow console users any of those things unless we are grateful and ingratiate ourselves in advance.

I mean, I genuinely do not care in all honesty. Some people do, others do not. I do not value the mods more than the base content, I do not expect any additional stuff. Console gamers have lived without this stuff for years and you could argue that we "don't know what we're missing". That's very true, we don't, and until we do, don't expect people to care all that much.

That's not an offensive thing to say, it's just the truth of the matter.

If I've killed your enthusiasm, personally, I don't care, but if it has caused you any grief or distress personally, then I'm sorry that you feel that way.

This is why Bethesda banking on Mod support was always a bad idea, because it cannot be relied upon as modders have zero obligations to make their content available, not to mention the numerous technical limitations.

As for you Leonardo, and a lot of people here, if English isn't your first language, then please try to understand that I'm not being offensive. If you choose to see the worst possible meaning in my words, that's your problem.

I guess people are jaded after too many years on the internet, but one of the most important parts of language and communication is tone, and unfortunately, that doesn't carry well over the internet. I cannot make everything I say foolproof, I'm sorry if you keep taking things the wrong way.

Turija (Serethil also)


I apologise if my comment sounded insulting to your efforts, thoughtless of me....I am sincerely sorry for that.


Serethil...."don't bite the hand that feeds you" which hand is that exactly. Are you saying I should be grateful for being "allowed" maybe 5% of the 'mod world' that you could indulge in. You just told us you have like 30Gb of mods, yet PS4 users get less than 1 Gb....so what then, I have no cause for complaint?


But I am still of the opinion that we are not going to be getting what I thought was on offer.


No SKSE rules out a lot of fun stuff as you know.

And Maybe I DID want mods with new assets that come to a few Gigs ok


And from a purely personal perspective


For me this was never about money.....I will have to buy an XB1 at 300 bucks just to continue playing Skyrim when my aging 360 dies. I was prepared to do that.....HAPPILY. But we have had this offer of mod capability waved around with such enthusiasm....and I have been told I should be happy to pay full game price for this capability.....now it turns out to be rather less than I think I was initially lead to believe.


Now it seems I'm also being told by the so called, "community" here, that I should be grateful for anything I get ! Gee thanks! On top of that, merely expressing disappointment causes the likes of Turija and Talyn to "threaten" withdrawing their mod contributions......which I am afraid lends weight to what Ephidel said before.....that Bethesda is offering "something" that they are not providing and cannot guarantee to provide because it relies on unpaid third parties to be voluntarily cooperative! It just keeps getting better the more I think about it


This is like Ford selling a great car....but relying on voluntary gas stations. All gas station owners get given a free Ford vehicle (which they don't even need...being successful businesses and all) for providing the refulling service, but if the gas stations then decide to only admit trucks and big rigs theres nothing the car driver (or Ford) can do about it! And....if the car drivers publicly complain.....more gas stations simply punish them by switching to serving big rigs only. I can't afford a big rig so will stick to my bicycle then!


Thanks too for the "moron" jibe Fantasy junkie.....being disappointed and feeling mis-lead now makes me a target for your deliberate insult too...cheers for that....I would add that in my experience, the more base the insult, the more base the person hurling it. Since you have zero idea of the extent of my intellect you would do better keeping your rudeness to yourself.....and I always remember my friends!


Well...I will tell you what then....you can keep your xbox 1 and ps4 and the limited number of mods I was told to be grateful for. And your 60 bucks game price etc OK. I am going to vote with my wallet afterall. This post and the whole sorry debacle has really opened my eyes.....to a lot of things and people.


I was always 'on-side' with the pc brigade, and looked forward to the day I might join their hallowed ranks. My view has been changed by all of this...... And not because of the functionality of the machines.


No matter.....I can buy second hand 360s until they fade away and I won't have to feel "grateful" or let down or second class to keep playing my game as I have for the past four years.


Continuing with this is not only pointless its hurtful......


Yours with a heavy heart

Bye

Rick