Skyforge

Post » Mon May 07, 2012 5:41 pm

Any theories on who built this edifice? One of the "Songs of no return" books mentions it was already there when the companions from the Jorrvaskr ship/detachment found it, and even the Elves didn't know about it (not to mention, the entire area was strangely uninhabited).
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Daniel Lozano
 
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 1:37 am

A gift from Shor or Kyne, perhaps?
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:30 am

My guess? Something left over from the Dawn, perhaps constructed by the Nords themselves but forgotten. The connection of bird/air/sky with metal/ground/forge is interesting, speaks to Kyne as war-wive of Shor.

I'm really hoping they go into it in a DLC. Small enough to handle in something along the lines of OB's house DLCs.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 9:11 pm

My guess? Something left over from the Dawn, perhaps constructed by the Nords themselves but forgotten. The connection of bird/air/sky with metal/ground/forge is interesting, speaks to Kyne as war-wive of Shor.
I wonder what connection there could be to the Lunar Forge. The Skyforge can make extra-strong steel weapons, and the Lunar Forge can make steel weapons with a unique moon-based enchantment (though the method to do so is unknown in-game). If the Skyforge is linked to Kyne, the Lunar Forge could be linked to Shor... but I'm drawing a blank on it all.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:49 am

Vivec.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 6:02 pm

Vivec.

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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 12:42 am

Could even be Falmer make. Not like they were unaware of stonework and metalcraft, and they did inhabit the area before Nordic record. And if they didn't build it, they may well have made use of it.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 6:53 pm

They found the Skyforge all right, but they had to chip away quite a bit of solid rock to get to it.

You the Alpharius famous for his lore knowledge in the video game and trad game boards of that infamous and apparently censored imageboard? How's that Sotha Sil mod going?
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 3:18 am

Yeah, it could be a Falmer forge. The little pre-Skyrim lore we had about the Falmer was about the Snow Prince and his amazing full Steel armour, the like Nords had never seen before.

Hmm, just re-read Fall of the Snow Prince. I seem to have remembered that incorrectly, as it seems they were more enthralled by the glowing magic on his stuff, rather than the inherent Steeliness. I wonder now where I got that notion from...
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 1:24 pm

Except that the Falmer avoided the thing and the whole area like a plague, according to the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/songs-return, which are our only source on the matter.

Once, as the sun beat from its high-home, Jonder the Tiny, the one who ran ahead, came over the hill to tell what was seen. Amidst a vast plain his eyes had met a monument of a bird, whose eyes and beak were opened in flame. When his brothers and sisters crested the hill, they too saw its glory, but they were afraid for no elven settlement could be seen to the horizon.

"But this is not seemly," said Kluwe, who went by Loate when hiding his face. "Is not this wide land fit for harvest? Why have not the elves, vile to their core, seen to exploit and tame it?" They asked of their elven captives (for they had many) what they found unfit about these plains. Yet even the captives who still bore their tongues could say nothing of the valley. They looked with fear at the winged colossus, and from their babblings did the warriors of the Jorrvaskr learn that it was older than even the elves themselves. Of those who wrought it solid from its mother-stone, nothing could be said, but it was known to drive a magic almost as old as Nirn itself, some remnant of the gods' efforts to render a paradise in Mundus before the shattering of Lorkhan.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 7:48 pm

Redguards have memories-in-stone. Nords have memories in fire. Kodlak was burned in it, and his essence powered the Skyforge, allowing for the creation of ancient Nord weapons and armor, lost lore. It could be a memory forge.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 9:02 pm

some remnant of the gods' efforts to render a paradise in Mundus before the shattering of Lorkhan.
Seems to be as clear an answer on the subject as we are likely to get.
Redguards have memories-in-stone. Nords have memories in fire. Kodlak was burned in it, and his essence powered the Skyforge, allowing for the creation of ancient Nord weapons and armor, lost lore. It could be a memory forge.
Heh, you aren't letting go of the subject of memory stones, are you? Cool, I like it.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 4:07 pm

Seems to be as clear an answer on the subject as we are likely to get.

Heh, you aren't letting go of the subject of memory stones, are you? Cool, I like it.
I'll go down swinging.

I do think the memory straight to comprehension thing needs more discussion. I haven't seen much talk about it.

Going back to the Skyforge, it's like it feeds on identities and memories without completely devouring them. If the latter were the case, then we wouldn't see Kodlak in Sovngarde. The Skyforge is a living thing though. I'm sure of that. It could be some et'Ada made stone; as stated above, a residual from the Dawn or a final gift from Shor.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:30 pm

Could giants have built it?
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 1:09 am

Linked to the dragon ruled era would be the most obvious answer. It makes ancient nord armor, draugr weapons and is reawakened by souls.
I could see dragon priests sacrificing servants upon dragonfire forges to empower words of kyne (thu'um) enchantments - thus a skyforge.

The thu'um enchantment would wake up once it has been charged. Although I do not know in all high hell this enchantment's effect would have.
Maybe it installs memories to the blacksmith who's using the forge? a journal of memories which subconciously tells the secret of making their armour?
Well at least it'd be a convenient way of getting a large order of armour done with a bunch of untrained novices in smithing. :drag:

So yes by all this I mean it was built by the nords who worshipped dragons and was heated by dragon fire.
And eh this is just some speculation to throw down this way, eh.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 5:21 pm

Maybe it installs memories to the blacksmith who's using the forge? a journal of memories which subconciously tells the secret of making their armour?
Well at least it'd be a convenient way of getting a large order of armour done with a bunch of untrained novices in smithing. :drag:

I'm thinking it might also have to deal with relationships to whomever was burned at the forge. For example: Kodlak considered you more worthy than any of the other companions to be a harbinger. He only had a dream of you and talked to you for about 5 minutes, but apparently this was enough to rule out the other members of the circle. Perhaps his love for you allows you to create the lost ancient armors.

Where did I get this crazy idea? I figure that this idea explains how the Grey-Manes that work the forge can make the Skyforge Steel. The fires may have some small influence in the development of the Skyforge Steel (I mean in the physical tempering of the steel), but it looks like its ability of passing knowledge to the smiths is more critical in the creation of its steels.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 1:15 pm

Linked to the dragon ruled era would be the most obvious answer. It makes ancient nord armor, draugr weapons and is reawakened by souls. I could see dragon priests sacrificing servants upon dragonfire forges to empower words of kyne (thu'um) enchantments - thus a skyforge. The thu'um enchantment would wake up once it has been charged. Although I do not know in all high hell this enchantment's effect would have. Maybe it installs memories to the blacksmith who's using the forge? a journal of memories which subconciously tells the secret of making their armour? Well at least it'd be a convenient way of getting a large order of armour done with a bunch of untrained novices in smithing. :drag: So yes by all this I mean it was built by the nords who worshipped dragons and was heated by dragon fire. And eh this is just some speculation to throw down this way, eh.
That makes sense, but it doesn't fit (like everything about the time when Dragons are said to have ruled) because that era apparently occurred post-Ysgramor.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 1:28 am

A gift from Zenithar.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 10:41 pm

A gift from Zenithar.
Sounds extremely plausible. Cut from the stone during the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/shor-son-shor.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 12:48 am

A too-silly thought ripple that left an impression in the stone-like-cartilage of the foetal Kalpa. This one in particular: A typical yet strong Dreughish daydream. So great does the feather-envy bubble like rude gasses in the chalcum-ichor of that folk, that besides alotting daily time for fish-suppers and for egg-laying, the Dreugh have prescribed hours for peeking their fore-carapaces above the surface (at the great risk of dessication of the eye-clusters) to gaze up that the vault of Kynareth-All-Around-Us in stultifying cloud-lust, yearning for the chance to reign amongst the airy peaks in metal palaces, eating fire and then singing conflagrations on the wicked leg-swimmers below (for such is how the Dreugh imagine the typical Avian career).
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 10:59 pm

A too-silly thought ripple that left an impression in the stone-like-cartilage of the foetal Kalpa. This one in particular: A typical yet strong Dreughish daydream. So great does the feather-envy bubble like rude gasses in the chalcum-ichor of that folk, that besides alotting daily time for fish-suppers and for egg-laying, the Dreugh have prescribed hours for peeking their fore-carapaces above the surface (at the great risk of dessication of the eye-clusters) to gaze up that the vault of Kynareth-All-Around-Us in stultifying cloud-lust, yearning for the chance to reign amongst the airy peaks in metal palaces, eating fire and then singing conflagrations on the wicked leg-swimmers below (for such is how the Dreugh imagine the typical Avian career).
And thus... the Skyforge came to be? I like you, Haute, I really do, but for the sake of my own dignity I'm not going to reply to that in the usual crazy text manner.

So how does that relate to the Skyforge again? "A Dreugh did it" might be the Lore Forum's new motto. That or, "It happened in a previous kalpa." or maybe just, "Um... CHIM?"
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 1:55 pm

So how does that relate to the Skyforge again? "A Dreugh did it" might be the Lore Forum's new motto. That or, "It happened in a previous kalpa." or maybe just, "Um... CHIM?"

All three, actually :wink_smile:
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 2:44 pm

"A dreugh from a previous kalpa did it with CHIM."

...I like that more than it probably deserves.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 3:03 pm

"A dreugh from a previous kalpa did it with CHIM."

...I like that more than it probably deserves.

something something The Wheel and um... erm... mnemocules?
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