Skyrim and Gods

Post » Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:16 pm

Do we even know how many of the older (Redguard-Morrowind era) writers are still on board at the company? I know we still have senior artists and designers like Ashley Cheng and Mark Lampert, but the only writers I really know by name are Julien, Tedders, and Ken Rolston. They're all out, so...


True, but I would hope the new writers would read up on past lore. It would only make sense to do so.
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Penny Courture
 
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Post » Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:11 am

Thats becasue they are stupid and dont understand what he does.


care to explain what it is mehrunes dagon does, then?

all i see him do is try... well, destroying and killing everything.

his realm didnt exactly give any hint of helpfulness, either... i suppose you'd be willing to defend molag bal, as well? the GOD OF [censored]? :rolleyes:

anyway... i dont think we'll be an incarnation of anyone, but instead just a champion of the gods... maybe a champion sent by ysmir or shor?

i cant help but constantly wonder about the story... i wonder how the fight with alduin will work... i really hope they make the battle with alduin, and dragons in general, very difficult, even on the easiest setting.
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Post » Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:29 pm

In out of game works, MD was a leaping devil king, that taught other spirits how to cut corners and avoid being eaten by Alduin and survive to the next kalpa. Well, at the end of the last kalpa and the beginning of the current one, Alduin caught him as he and Shor were hiding bits of previous kalpas from being consumed. Alduin cursed him into the existence of Mehrunes Dagon, and HAD to destroy EVERYTHING, or else he won't be able to become the king leaper devil king.

In essence, Mehrunes Dagon isn't complete and mindless destruction for the lulz, he has a purpose, and wishes to being the kind leaping devil king he was before and continue to leap and teach others how to leap away from Alduin's chompers.
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Post » Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:31 am

care to explain what it is mehrunes dagon does, then?

all i see him do is try... well, destroying and killing everything.

his realm didnt exactly give any hint of helpfulness, either... i suppose you'd be willing to defend molag bal, as well? the GOD OF [censored]? :rolleyes:

anyway... i dont think we'll be an incarnation of anyone, but instead just a champion of the gods... maybe a champion sent by ysmir or shor?

i cant help but constantly wonder about the story... i wonder how the fight with alduin will work... i really hope they make the battle with alduin, and dragons in general, very difficult, even on the easiest setting.

He destroys to create anew. Ive known the lore since its been written, every comment I've said is factual.

Except for Shor/Shezarr/Lorkhan. He failed so that we know what not to do, and gave his heart to the world. Also, he hates mer, and that's pure good to the nth degree.

Also, the nords do hold Shor to the highest esteem, and I fully expect Shor to be quite relevant, as he is the other side to this conflict with Alduin. Also, as some have suggested, I hope the dovakiin ends up being an avatar of Shor, and has his heart ripped out of his chest, mimicking what happened during the world's creation.

How does that make him good or evil? Morality is subjective.
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Post » Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:03 pm

He destroys to create anew. Ive known the lore since its been written, every comment I've said is factual.


Yeah, see, it's the destroying part that most mortals take issue with.
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Post » Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:27 am

Yeah, see, it's the destroying part that most mortals take issue with.

Yeah, see, Its the sense of static morality mortals posses that takes issue with Aedra/Daedra. Not to mention Aedra can die in some form, arguably.
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Post » Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:27 pm

Yeah, see, it's the destroying part that most mortals take issue with.
Well, in an odd sort of way, Mankar had the merrish line of thought that Mundus was a prison to be destroyed, so that they can be brought back to The Dawn. With Mankar, he wanted to use MD to accomplish those aims, as the two have the same goal.

The unbinding of Alduin would be something favorable to the mer too, for they see him as Auriel, their liberator, hero, and head deity.
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Post » Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:07 pm

Yeah, see, Its the sense of static morality mortals posses that takes issue with Aedra/Daedra.


Who the [censored] said anything about static? "Absolute morality" is an oxymoron. It's a matter of perspective. I'm sure Dagon thinks he's the most awesome mofo ever to invade Tamriel and crush its citizens underfoot, but to said citizens he's kind of a jerk. Likewise, elves are rather fond of Auri-El, what with the whole undoing the world and returning it to its Dawn Era state, but many humans, Nords in particular, are a bit upset about the whole Alduin thing.
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Post » Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:52 am

Who the [censored] said anything about static? "Absolute morality" is an oxymoron. It's a matter of perspective. I'm sure Dagon thinks he's the most awesome mofo ever to invade Tamriel and crush its citizens underfoot, but to said citizens he's kind of a jerk. Likewise, elves are rather fond of Auri-El, what with the whole undoing the world and returning it to its Dawn Era state, but many humans, Nords in particular, are a bit upset about the whole Alduin thing.

Static is the over encompassing realm of mortal morality. What may be good for mortals may not be good for gods. Therefore there is no good or evil with gods, unless they were common mortals. At Least not with Aedra/Daedra
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Post » Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:45 pm

i loved the deadra shrines and their quests in oblivion. i just hope there's something similar in Skyrim
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Post » Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:08 pm

If you look at http://i.imgur.com/L8GxR.jpg, you'll notice "Kynesgrove" near the center right and "Shor's" ? at the bottom right. This was taken from the Game Informer interview/tour of Bethesda with Todd Howard.
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Post » Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:07 am

As I understand it, and as others have said.

The Aedra are the lords of creation, as such they are considered "true gods" they rarely get directly involved with the affairs of mortals and either can't or won't get directly involved with the daily affairs of mortal lives.

The Daedra are the lords of change, they don't actually create anything, they just change what's already there. As such they are not "true gods" but they are worshiped as such. They often get directly involved with the affairs of mortals in one way or another. Though they may sound annoyed when you summon them, the fact you can summon them at all is proof of this.

Both approaches have positive and negatives.

Aedra are akin to Jehovah, in that they're more about letting mortals make there own decisions, and the freedom to make there own choices. However they can be seen as distant, and uncaring. Which leads many to Daedra worship.

Daedra can show a concern for there followers, but they also see followers as some kind of possession and can use and abuse them as pawns or playthings.

The quest's Daedra set you on can often reflect how they feel about mortals.

Some of the Daedric princes have noble traits, specifically Azura and Malacath, who do show concern for their charges. Or Meridia, who's goal is to abolish the undead.

Other's are pretty much neutral on the subject, specifically Nocturnal, Sanguine, Peyrite, Hermaeus Mora, Namira, and Clavicus Vile to a certain extent.

And others you really have to look hard to find any noble qualities as they totally embrace "mortals are playthings to be stepped on" Hircine, Mehrunes Dagon, Mephala, Boethiah, and Molag Bal all fit this bill.

Sheogorath is a complete wild card, and trying to determine his true motives, is like trying to comprehend the meaning of life while on crack.

With all that said....The Queen of the Night Sky, and that sixy Daedra with the Scottish accent better damn will be in this game.


i dont think id put Hircine in with the bad bunch
he does brutally hunt people down like animals, but he does make sure they have a chance to beat him at all times
i think he's more chaotic neutral
hes less "mortals are playthings to be stepped on" and more "im definitely above mortals, but theyre are impressive enough to merit my respect and fairness"
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