I've logged 240 hours over 4 different classes, all playing on master. My take on it is, my sneak archer class became pretty op around lvl 25, and I got bored. Second class was a necromancer, same outcome, around lvl 30 started to get to easy. I'd never get hit , just keep resummoning my atronach. My third was by far the worst, illusion assassin, by lvl 35 I was one shotting everything with 15x damage dagger. i can only image how op it would be with 30X. I really wanted to keep playing this class cause it's so damn fun, but you can never die, if you get seen you just vanish, then rinse and repeat.Now my 4th class is a Warrior sword n board, with a few restrictions. No alchemy, enchanting, and smithing whatsoever. Also no fast travel, no reading skill up books,no companions, or training skills from npcs. I'm only level 7 so we'll see how it goes, but so far it's been fun. This will be my last class, if I end up gettin bored around lvl 30+ i'll wait for a mod overhaul to fix the mid/late game difficulty/balance issues. The game still rocks and will be a masterpiece once the creation kit comes out and mods come rolling out to fix a few issues.

I don't like knowing that I'll never find any loot more powerful than that which I can make myself, whether I deny myself the skills or not. It makes loot-finding less interesting and damages my motivation to explore.


Totally agree with this.
Trolls, Dragon-Priests, Giants and Dragons are all pretty challenging early on (on Master), but when they are being swatted from creation by my crafted daedric maces there needs to be some harder beast that still poses a threat.

level 50 is the soft cap for a reason
you can still level your character but you're basically done in terms of progression
sure there's quests to do and skills to max but the world has stopped leveling

Maybe you should try reading peoples responses and compare them to what is in my original post. I made an observation and posted it on the forums to see if anyone else was of like-minded opinion. First page or so of responses is assuming I'm complaining about the game or abused the synergistic effects that Smithing/alchemy/enchanting have when you use them to enhance one another. When that is not the case. If you -or other people- had some reading comprehension you would understand that.

Done with that point.



Problem is that I don't play MMO's and never have. I realize that this game scales to your level, and that scaling stops at level 50. The problem is that -besides a select few enemies-, the game is still very lacking in difficuly on MASTER difficulty, even when you do not "abuse" the player-crafting abilities.


Wtf is all your peoples problem? I make a thread about how I found the early levels of the game more enjoyable than the higher difficulties and I get all these assumptions about how I've abused crafting, playing on standard difficulty, or lack a fundamental understanding of how the game works.

It's absolutely amazing at the lower levels. Then your save file grows and the game freezes and crashes. So yeah....I totally agree.

it is true that this game is best IF YOU DONT USE THE RPG ELEMENT AT ALL. just go in hack and smash and come out, do this 100 times and you completed everything and wasted 100 hours on doing work for others.

and also ES VI will have the perfect amount of level scaling and people will never complain and it will pay you to play it

I agree with the OP. My first Character was an Orc Berserker. I mainly used two handed swords and heavy armor. I ended up scrapping this character at about level 34. The game started to feel easy for me around level 25. Sure there was a challenging boss at the end of the dungeons, but getting to him was just boring as hell. The enemies didn't put up much of a challenge anymore.

I did use smithing, however I don't think that I abused it. I got Ebony armor at about level 32. I wanted to get Dragon and Daedric armor just to see what they looked like, but I didn't have the patience with this character anymore.

Maybe I was too specialized with only using two handed weapons and heavy armor, however I only got both of those skills in the 80's. I could have used one handed weapons but I just felt they didn't fit the character.

I recently started a new khajiit thief/assassin and completely fell in love with the game again. I missed being afraid of what was around every corner or on the other side of every hill. My new plan is to simply play with this character untill he is a godly assassin then scrap him for a new character.

I use a mod that cuts skill progression in half. The game is MUCH more enjoyable when you can explore an entire area without leveling after every single dungeon.

I didn't abuse the systems in place and there is plenty of challenge for me. I am level 44 on my main character right now and I find plenty of Draugr/Falmer dungeons that can still put up a threat. I didn't gimp myself either, I am just leveling naturally.

Indeed. I'd love to see a dungeon where the game just wants to eviscerate you.

Anyways, the game feels best from 20-30. In my opinion of course.

I agree with OP. One way to help with this is to not do skills not relevant to your character at all, and adjust your perk needs to fix. My spellsword capped at level 43 with no points in conj, rest, block, two-hand, enchant, and only a smidge in archery.

Anyways, the more skills you focus the higher you will force yourself, something to consider.

Tip: save the game before reading a skillbook. That way if it levels a skill you dont want, you can undo it. This will also help shave off a level or two by the end.

It seems that some people on the development staff failed to get the memo that Skyrim's target level range was 1-50, not 1-25 like the past games.

It's easy to stop levelling... you can choose where to stop just by not going into the menu anymore. All it takes some self-constraint.

Personally, I'm finding it very fun to stay level 1 the whole game.

If you find the game to be too easy at higher levels,just change the difficulty.What's the problem?

As it is in most Elder Scrolls games. RPG's are all about the pursuit of power, and when you finally become all-powerful, there's not much left to do. What's the saying, again?

"It's not the destination that's important. It's how you get there."

I agree. I'm not even touching smithing/enchanting/alchemy on my current guy who is in his mid-thirties, but I still had more fun at the start. Especially when you know nothing about the game or the world, and you are a simple level 2, and you get ahold of some Steel armor and think Wow, my guy is such a huge badass now!!. But this is what happens with all games like this, the novelty wears off after awhile.
But hopefully what you are left with is a solid overall game, and I think Skyrim gives you that.

Uhhh... tons of RPGs have super duper secret hard dungeon or at bare minimum optional hard boss battles. So no.

That's about the time the build I've planned for my character really becomes complete. I've taken 3 characters to that level following different skills and quests.
I'm not in to the idea of trying to do everything with one character so at about level 40 it's time for me to try something new.

I dunno. I enjoy the armor and weapon choices at my level (almost 40). Although, now that my game file is almost 1mb, the framerate/lag or whatever has gotten bad. I love playing on my PS3 but I look forward to buying a new PC to do my second play through without that issue

Well, lets be honest here. EVERY RPG is the best in the low levels! Before the +10 Hackmaster dagger or super duper fry spell or mega 50 cal gun - the low levels are just fun! Challenging and fun!

That is probably some of the WORST gameplay advice I have ever heard. There is something really wrong with the gameplay if you are saving and reloading before reading a book! It probably only raises you a level or two by the time you reach 40+.

I got to a similar point myself.

Then I changed into my old thieves guild armor, patched to 1.3, and for the first time in a while an Elder Dragon caused me to use two of my health potions that had been collecting dust for some time.... It is almost as if my stats for my armor/weapons got a little corrupted as my mace of molag doesn't seem to be whooping up on baddies like it use too. However, it is so much more fun again to think a little more before charging into a room full of leveled monsters just to mow them down like it ain't no thang.

The struggle to become strong is always most memorable in Elder Scrolls games.

And it's generally easy to tell when it's a skill book. Note the item value. Ahem.