Lol that is funny.
Here I am trying to convey a feeling, paint an emotion and there you waltz in with your facts.

Its like the mathematician telling the poet that planets do not behave like that all over again.

In all seriousness.
I think the message was clear.

Making silly beancounter statements like that really doesnt help anything but say: Im a beancounter.

Yeah I was expecting "cities" like Whiterun and Solitude to be the same size as Imperial City was in Oblivion.

Same reason the towns and cities in Fallout were the size they were, same reason the Strip and Freeside were broken up into cells, the same reason that people get slow downs in this game in cities.

It's the NPCs.

You put too many of them in a cell, and it will bring most rigs to their knees, without an arrow. Yes, the higher end current PCs can handle it, but not the consoles or the average gamer's PC. Its not the graphical rendering of the NPCs, it is the scripts.

Since when do feelings count for arguments? I can say that Solitude feels bigger than Vivec, but that's not going to change much, will it?

Yeah, it was called Oblivion and came out years ago.

I had the same thought but oddly enough it does fit the lore/culture of skyrim. Markath for instance is a bit different (more spacious layout) since the dwemer built it

The medieval Viking capital of Roskilde had a population of 5000 and was considered an "important european city" at the time. The game is of course scaled down because of various bugetary restrictions. But given the actual scale of medieval cities, it isn't scaled down that much.

According to Bethesda's official game guide.

Yep those places are capital cities.

I have a feeling that people are comparing the cities to the world around it, in which case, they would feel small.

Thats interesting.
Maybe thats why NPC's have very summier scripts to begin with.
Even though we lost an apparel slot or two.

Goes to show that Skyrim was developed for xbox then first and foremost.
I play on xbox but I have the lowest end machine with only 500mb internal memory.

I have installed Skyrim to a 16 gig USB.

I must say that luckily I experience very, very little of the hiccups and glitches that I see on the forum.
I have not seen slow downs at all.
Some graphical textures not loading on rare instances and I see a 1989 polygon dragon.
Zero instances of quests not progressing, NPC's not loading, etc.

And, we never will since Bethesda woudln't even know how to make a city... like they don't know how to make a stable game...or how not to lie to customers.

Yes, because we never want the facts to get in the way of what we know.




That was sarcasm in case you were wondering what feeling I was trying convey.........

Well, I think that The Witcher 1 and 2 nailed it with Vizima and Flotsam. Especially Flotsam was amazing.
But those games I put maybe 100 hours or so into in total.

But again, those are more linear and got less advanced NPCs, so... But they are great, adn the cities are great.

That's a valid point. I don't think anyone here - any reasonable forumer, at least - is accusing Bethesda of being lazy.
However I do feel this is one area where Skyrim somewhat fails, understandably, and thus one are which needs more love and affection in the next instalment.

We're binging it to their attention. Remember the ?5 massive cities??
Beth, don't do that.

Yeah.

Part of it is the design I think. If you recall Balmora for example, it was actually quite small. But there was something about it that made it feel more like a city. Can't really put my finger on it though - maybe it was just due to the more dense buildings, with more definite streets.

Or if you remember Oblivion, it only really had one sizable settlement, which was the Imperial City.

I think it'd have been fine if they could've made Solitude and WIndhelm(which felt especially unfinished with it's awful textures) larger, closer to IC size, considering they're kind of the main cities in Skyrim, and left the rest as is. But currently there's definitely a lack of any kind of "city feeling" to the game.

I think it's a scale thing. The game is kind of balloony and kid like. I mean it only take like 3 minutes to run up the throat of the world.

Also the engine probably coulnt handle something more sophisticated.

Just wait for modders to get their hands on CK.

Skyrim has HUGE amounts of land prepared for modding. If you type "tcl" in your console you can actually visit lands where Imperial City is supposed to be.

Besides Morrowind was highly populated due to the fact that elves breed like rabbits.

But facts are facts Morrowind towns were huge compared to Skyrim. Even nord towns in Bloodmoon were twice as big as Solitude is. And when you choose to end the war and join one side, battles for cities kinda look like schoolyard fight.

I was describing the feel of the game. (For Nirns sake why cant anyone think allegorically anymore? Why must everything be so literal and base?)
Hla Oad feels like Dawnstar when comparing Morrowind to Skyrim.
You can say Solitude feels bigger than Vivec but you would be dishonest, incongenious, proclaiming falsehoods for the hell of it.

When you play Morrowind, and Skyrim, the feel is that Hla Oad is comparable to Dawnstar, except Dawnstar doesnt have traders.

This is an honest, comparative assesment.

Are you done arguing against an honest conveyance of atmosphere or want to hammer at inconsequentialities some more?

Get to the point, dont blabber about semantics.

Was Bruma bigger than Whiterun?

Boom.

You must have played a different Morrowind game then I did. Morrowinds Towns weren't huge at all, only Vivec and that doesn't even count as all they did was take the same canton and muliplied it.

I wouldn't expect any city in Skyrim to be as big as the Imperial city. This is a province. it's going to be smaller; wild; maybe more primitive. The empire is trying to bring 'civilization' with it.

See my post above this one.
Honestly, sometimes..

Except that 200 years have passed...
Villages grow into towns...
Towns into cities...

You get the picture.

Do we have a frame of reference for the size of Skyrims cities and towns?

No we dont, we also dont know if disasters reduced a towns size or not.